Educational Standards--For What???

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Mar 15, 2009 at 14:16


At DKos, teacherken has a rather frightening new diary (h/t dkmich), "Schools - are we headed for national tests and standards?", in which he lays out various bits of evidence, recent statements of President Obama and Secretary of Education Duncan, and concludes that the answer is "yes".  He then asks, what exactly will these standards aim at producing--a happy hive of worker bees?

He raises a whole host of important questions, to which I want to add one that Gerald Bracey has repeatedly pointed to, as I've noted before:  the professed purpose of workforce development and increased US competitiveness is totally bogus.  The US is already #1 in competitiveness, while other countries where students outscore ours--such as Japan--have worse economic problems than we do.  Furthermore, we already produce a workforce that is underemployed for its skill level.

I am all in favor improved education, but (a) we need a broader concept of what education is for--as teacherken argues, and (b) we need to improve our entire economic system so that it makes full use of the workforce we already have, and has jobs for the workers of the future we are intent on educating today.  These two points imply a very different approach to education and our economic future than Obama appears to have in mind--and, most troubling of all, there appears to be virtually no public discussion of these very important issues.

Quotes from teacherken and further discussion on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: Educational Standards--For What???
teacherken:

And before I explain why I phrase the question of my title the way I do, let me offer one additional paragraph from the release:

    "States have made great progress in building their longitudinal data systems, but now we need a cultural shift to build the political will and take the practical steps needed to ensure that this data is accessed, shared, and used for continuous education improvement," said Aimee Rogstad Guidera, Director of the Data Quality Campaign.  "That's what the Campaign will focus on now - helping states identify and put in place the necessary policies and practices so that key stakeholders actually use longitudinal data to help students succeed."

Let me start with the last quote.  to help students succeed -  succeed at what?  Are we going to define success as performance on the measurements, however they are established?  Given the idea that this data is supposed to span from Pre-K through graduate and professional school (that is was P-20 means) and be linked to "workforce development,"  what are the implications for educational effort not directly geared towards the economic interests implied in such statements?  Who will have voices heard, meaningful seats at the table as such standards - which remember, both Duncan and Obama have made clear, should be national - are being developed?  If the people shaping the discussion on longitudinal standards does not know include the voices of professional educators, nor of those groups who have traditionally been underserved educationally and economically, do we run the risk of an imposition of one model, yet another version of the kind of one size fits all mentality that has been behind so many of our recent, and failed, attempts at educational "reform," including NCLB?   Where in this model is there any provision for civic education, for the development of the individual person as something in herself, even if the things that matter to her are not valued by some important economic and political actors?

Of course, civic education and individual development are long-term mainstays of progressive visions of education.  The fact that they may be shunted aside for an exclusive focus on "workforce development" is not only deeply troubling in itself, but is yet another indication of how Obama appears locked into a vision of the state that reflects only the core concerns of (a) the conservative welfare state, which seeks to maintain existing power relations, and the dominance of establihsed elites, and (b) the liberal welfare state that seeks to smooth the functioning of the market.

Beyond this question of vision--and the exclusion of needs outside the marketplace--are three other kinds of concern: First, is this even a correct diagnosis of the marketplace needs?  Second, are the process under consideration capable of meeting even the needs as defined?  Third, are the people involved capable and deserving of trust?

teacherken continues, directly following the quote above:

Let me return to the question of my title.  I think there is no doubt that this administration has bought into the idea of national standards.  The creation of national standards is sure to be a major conflict, unless dissenting voices are systematically excluded.  Given the track record of Duncan in Chicago (which by the way has NOT succeeded on meeting the Illinois standards, which makes it ironic that he thinks the solution is to further raise the bar on standards), where he and his predecessor Paul Vallas and their minions systematically suppressed the voices of those who disagreed with them, whose approach was to get commitment from the major elite players and ignore the concerns expressed by others.

This is, to say the least, not a very promising prospect.  Duncan is not an educator, is a believer in anti-teacher, anti-public school reform, is a believer in excluding those who disagree with him from the process, and has a record of failure even within his own paradigm.

Remind me again how this is different from the way Bush did things?  Oh, yeah, it's technocratically competent, even if it isn't opertionally competent.  Here's another piece of evidence teacherken cites, from a group called The Data Quality Campaign, "The Next Step: Using Longitudinal Data Systems To Improve Student Success", which outlines 10 steps they consider necessary for what they consider a model effort:

The ten action steps are:
  1.     Link state K-12 data systems with early learning, postsecondary education, workforce, social services and other critical state agency data systems.
  2.     Create stable, sustained support for robust state longitudinal data systems.
  3.     Develop governance structures to guide data collection, sharing and use.
  4.     Build state data repositories (e.g. data warehouses) that integrate student, staff, financial and facility data.
  5.     Implement systems to provide all stakeholders timely access to the information they need while protecting student privacy.
  6.     Create progress reports with individual student data that provide information educators, parents and students can use to improve student performance.
  7.     Create reports that include longitudinal statistics on school systems and groups of students to guide school-, district- and state-level improvement efforts.
  8.     Develop a purposeful research agenda and collaborate with universities, researchers and intermediary groups to explore the data for useful information.
  9.     Implement policies and promote practices, including professional development and credentialing, to ensure that educators know how to access, analyze and use data appropriately.
  10.     Promote strategies to raise awareness of available data and ensure that all key stakeholders, including state policymakers, know how to access, analyze and use the information.

That's a really swell list if you're in the data management business, but it doesn't do a heck of a lot if you're the least bit aware of the systematic impoverishment of inner-city low-income minority-dominated schools or their rural counterparts.  Unfortunately, we're not talking about a both/and approach here.

The analogy to health-care-industry-run "health care reform" is not exact, but it's far too close for comfort.  And it really needn't be.  There are good faith actors involved, but the process as a whole seems designed to prevent the very sort of robust debate that's both needed and morally called for:

Let me be fair -  some of those elite players honestly believe they know what is best, that what they are doing is their version of noblesse oblige.  One can legitimately make that argument for groups like the Gates Foundation and the Casey Foundation, and local efforts such as that in Chicago where Obama served on a board with Bill Ayers (who may have as good a track record as anyone in the nation on honestly addressing the issues of urban education, but who is now considered so toxic that when he is brought into a university to talk on that topic there are protests and attempts to cancel his appearance -  this is happening at Millersville in PA, resulting in the event being closed to anyone outside the university's immediate family).  But just because I believe I am correct should not legitimize my being able to impose my perspective and/or exclude the perspectives of those who may disagree with me.

What we need is what Obama promised--a chance for everyone to participate and be heard in the process of reshaping our future into a more inclusive, more inspiring, more diverse form.  But that doesn't seem to be anything like what we are actually going to get.


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Well Paul (4.00 / 2)
You got your revenge for yesterday, as I was just about to publish.

Anyway, you're much too hard on Duncan:


This is, to say the least, not a very promising prospect.  Duncan is not an educator, is a believer in anti-teacher, anti-public school reform, is a believer in excluding those who disagree with him from the process, and has a record of failure even within his own paradigm.

After all, George Will likes him!  I couldn't figure out why (on the safe assumption that the real reasons would never appear in his column), but now I guess I know.


Good! (4.00 / 1)
Glad to hear you've got one ready to go. It will give me more time for my next post.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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And you got kuddo's from a self described socialist (0.00 / 1)
How lovely must that be.

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Education blogs (4.00 / 1)
Education notes online, The education/political scene in New York City and beyond, focusing on the UFT and the NYC Department of Education.

Schools Matter, This space explores issues in public education policy, and it advocates for a commitment to and a re-examination of the democratic purposes of schools. If there is some urgency in the message, it is due to the current reform efforts that are based on a radical re-invention of education, now spearheaded by a psychometric blitzkrieg of "metastasizing testing" aimed at dismantling a public education system that took almost 200 years to build.

Fred Klonsky's blog

NYC Educator

The Washington Teacher

This Little Blog: A Place to Respond, An analysis of the war against public education by a teacher. A little humor now and then helps make the case.

Not a blog, but a must read: Charter schools and the attack on public education

There is also a very good one from Chicago, but I can't find it.  


First they made a fortune off testing, and now (4.00 / 2)
they want to cash in on data management.   When you go into a job training program, they have a data base with a form called the Individual Service Strategy. It addresses your assets, and your barriers, e.g.  transportation, childcare, drug abuse, arrests, work history, etc.   It use to be on paper and  in the client file, which got shredded three years after leaving the program. Now, it is all on line waiting to get merged with your school records.

How many local, state, federal people (your neighbors, friends, relatives, boss) do you want reading your stuff?   This is why the survivalists go nuts.  

And get this.  After eight years of war profiteering and spending money on the bailout so fast nobody wrote it down, Obama is loading up OIG to monitor and audit the stimulus.  Heaven help the poor slob in job training who gets too much in the OIG's after the fact opinion, or the worker who simply makes a wrong decision resulting in disallowed costs.  Pentagon and DOD sole source huge contracts with not a lick of oversight, and job training has to get at least two quotes on everything it buys including a box of pens.  

I am so disappointed in Obama.  I didn't expect Dennis Kucinich, but I sure expected more than this.      

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


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Post 9/11 correlation (4.00 / 1)
This reminds me so much of the media and political mentality that happened post-9/11. Immediately after 9/11, all we kept hearing was how "everyone" agreed that "everything" had changed. The clear implication was that every sane and sensible thinking American was surely on board with any new restrictions on civil liberties because we all "agreed" that "everything" had changed.

Well, not everyone agreed that "everything" had changed. And for those who did think "everything" had changed, guess what? Not everyone agreed on what exactly had changed and what needed to be done about it. But the post-9/11 voices outside of the conventional "everyone agrees" never got even a whiff of a fair hearing.

I see the same thing happening with education "reform". Certainly every sane and sensible American "agrees" that standardized testing is the most important objective measure we can implement to help our children learn and secure their happy futures. There can be no debate on the issue as there's nothing to debate. And most of the politicians who think otherwise, just like after 9/11, don't have the political courage to speak up for fear they'll be accused of being dirty fucking hippies, or the like.

We have to find a better way to fight this time. We can't allow the conventional "everyone agrees" media/political mentality to simply roll us over and silence our voices.  


I am so disheartened and (4.00 / 1)
so discouraged by President Obama on the education issues, I barely have the will/energy to respond.  I read teacherken's diary, and I even posted my own diary on another blog....
http://www.motleymoose.com/sho...

in which I referenced your last diary on education.

I was hoping this administration would be more enlightened about education. I am deeply disappointed.

Thank you so much for staying on top of this issue.


National standards (0.00 / 0)
One of the reasons NCLB was written as it was is that the states are absolutely terrified by the prospect of having national standards. The disparity in achievement would be so stark that heads would roll.

One only has to look at the results of the actual national tests to see the discrepancy between the state level NCLB results and the more objective ones.

There may be some legislation passed which will aim to satisfy the anti-teacher, anti-labor faction, but I think it will be mostly symbolic. This doesn't mean that it shouldn't still be opposed.

Policies not Politics


Improving Education in Low-Prefroming States Is Obviously Important (4.00 / 2)
The problem is, as NCLB showed, the likelihood is that the cure may abe as bad as the disease--raise the standards of what's tested for by trashing everything else.

There is no short-cut to doing this, and as long as Obama bows to rightwing framing, he's not going to bring us anything close to the kinds of change we both need and were lead to hope for and expect.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Oh great (0.00 / 1)
Another teachers union talking point post. Look I love unions but they should be about quality of work as much as  quality of jobs. Both should go hand in hand and I hope EFCA ads some regulation in it to make sure that is the case.

Banks went bad with their quality of work and everyone now hates them for it. You don't want unions to go the same way in the long run.

Liberals should look at long runs, its GOP's job to look at  everything on the short run. But alas some here are doing the same thing as they are. hopefully that mindset stays a minority.


I Know You Hate Unions, Barry (4.00 / 2)
but what, exactly does that have to do with this post?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Wrong (0.00 / 1)
I love unions, because they bring the wages up for the middle class. I also love quality and long term viabilities. Quality of job should go hand in hand with quantity of salaries and benefits. Unions understandably are more concerned with the later. so are banks (in reverse). so it is government job (Through tough regulations) to regulate both to make sure they are balanced and growing the economy as well as the middle class.

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Doesn't play well in groups. (0.00 / 0)
Answer his question. What does unionization have to do with any of this?  You flit about dumping donuts on anybody you disagree with and now you go off topic.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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The Problem with Education (4.00 / 1)
Once again this post, and the original post by TK highlight what I believe to be the underlying "problem" with the way education "reform" is approached in this country: from outside the teaching profession.

Those who are actually professional educators in the classroom are the ones who most often the ones not involved in the writing of educational policy, nor the drivers of reforms that are needed in education. Why are the teachers' unions so large and seemingly so militant? The exclusion of their members from the decisions that affect them is the unfortunate answer.

I understand the value of action research and best practices grounded in statistical analysis. However, education is not wholly a scientific undertaking that is easily measured or that produces data that is clean an unambiguous. The list in TK's post further highlights that once again the focus is on the data, collecting the data, and managing the data. Children are not data, and those who teach them the ones who know this best.  Let's say we track students over three years and see a dip in the second year for students. Is this due to the teacher that year, family changes, relocations, a community tragedy, a change in school administration, a change in standardized test, or education policy or some combination or the above?

Duncan is not an educator. Most running school districts have limited experience at best as educators. Education policy should include those delivering the education having made a career out of being in the classroom. Policies that do not involve this direct experience are short sighted at best, and destructive at worst.

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Excellent comment (4.00 / 2)
Highly appreciated by this retired after forty years in public education teacher.

If it were as simple as data gathering, researching for the fix, using the fix, believe every (good) teacher in the world were be pulling for it.  

Teachers know the truth. No two students are the same.  A lesson that succeeded greatly with student x can fail miserably with student y.  One year a lesson worked beautifully with 90% of your class, the next year, only 50%.

Parents who look at their children honestly know this.  One of their children may have started reading at age 4 and one struggled at age 6 and yet both by the sixth grade had similar patterns when it came to ability testing...or not.  Sometimes, the slow starter ultimately passed the others.  That happened in my family....more than once.

Developmentally we are all different.  The difference in the lower grades especially are immense.  And yet we want to box the kids in.  It does not work.  I have had students who had their EUREKA moments early in my sixth grade.  And I have had former students call me at the beginning of college to tell me exactly when that moment happened.  
I have seen kids who spontaneously read by age three (and I mean read...books, not words) fail miserably by the end of high school. I have seen kids who struggled in sixth grade to be average end up being successful lawyers.  

Kids are not widgets.  Teaching is as much of an art as healing is.  Ask a doctor, a good one, some time.  It's often hit or miss whether using drugs, diet, or exercise.  Our bodies do not all react the same.  Neither do our minds.

I am discouraged that the President and his Secretary of Education are going down this already failing path.


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The Problem With Data Is GIGO (4.00 / 2)
The most sophisticated data-tracking in the world is pretty much beside the point--potentially even inimical--if it's not grounded in what mattes.  And who's in the best position to know what matters?  Well, the teachers, of course!

But that's only if you think that the kids actually matter.  And that's where things get dicey, IMHO.  Conservatives can be refreshingly honest on this point from time to time.  Education isn't for the kids, they may say, it's for the preservation of the status quo (or restoration of glories past).

It's the neoliberals with their "productive worker" models that tend to be the slipperiest of the lot.  After all, who doesn't want to make a good living, eh?  Especially given neo-liberal complicity in turning this into a dog-eat-dog world.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I don't know about that... (0.00 / 0)
In the circles I run, say "it's not about the kids" and you'll likely be run out of a job on a rail. I've come to believe this as well as ultimately, everything in education is somehow about the kids. It's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon: no matter what you propose it can be tied back to improving the students' experience in the classroom.

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Of Course Everyone SAYS It's About The Kids (0.00 / 0)
Everyone in the education circles, at least.  But (a) the conservative machers don't run in those circles, so sometimes they let slip what really maters to them. (b) I'm talking actions, not words.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Which reminds me of our local school board. (0.00 / 0)
Like many, it is split.  Our split isn't the religious right against science, it is the all knowing, private sector  "business man" vs the know nothing and lowly public sector.   These fools want to "run it like a business".  Unfortunately, it isn't a business.  It is a social welfare and public education program.    

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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"Run It Like A Business" (4.00 / 1)
GM? Or AIG?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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reply can work (4.00 / 2)
actually, at least it did during the last school board election around here...two things: we changed how trustees are elected, from running city-wide, which was expensive (candidates were told they needed nearly 100k and professional consultants to be competitive) to district (neighborhood) elections.  Next, we hung Enron/World Com (among other more local examples) on the biz reform candidates...outcome was quite interesting and certainly not what the privateers expected.  

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a small point or two - (0.00 / 0)
there are no capitalizations in my user name -   teacherken

interesting your reference to Bracey since I was just exchanging emails with him on another topic.  He pointed out in a post to a list he runs that on international comparisons on math US scores have been going up while those in some other countries, including at least one touted as an example, have inexplicably dropped.

Yesterday I had posted a diary about factual errors in Obama's education speech, reference stuff from Bracey and from Bob Somerby.  Turns out others were doing some digging as well, as one can see in this piece at Politifact at the St. Pete Times

Peace

If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy.


Oops, Sorry! (0.00 / 0)
I've been somewhat sleep deprived of late, and some things just don't seem to sink in!  Let me see about fixing that.

I wrote about Bracey last weekend as well.  He certainly has a great deal of fortitude to keep banging away at these same stupid myths year after year after year.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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thanks for fixing - no big deal (0.00 / 0)
but it is how I prefer to present myself.  Probably read too much e. e. cummings

If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy.

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No Such Thing As Too Much e.e. cummings (0.00 / 0)
Which should make me doubly ashamed.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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We're SO headed in the wrong direction (4.00 / 1)
The view of American education that we're getting from the MSM is so wrong and there is so little pushback against it. Here's an excerpt from a soon-to-be-published manuscript from an educator from China who is totally perplexed at what is going on now in our political discourse about education (full disclosure: the publisher is a client of mine):
"I find this trend in American education perplexing. If China, a developing country aspiring to move into an innovative society, has been working to emulate the U.S. education, why does America want to abandon it? Furthermore, why does America want to adopt practices that China and many other countries have been so eager to give up? But most vexing is why Americans, who hold individual rights and liberty in the highest regard, would allow the government to dictate what their children should learn, when they should learn it, and how they are evaluated?"


Sort Of Says It All, Doesn't It? (0.00 / 0)
Although, for me that's not the biggest international contradiction.  I think the biggest contradiction is that we've spent decades bemoaning how much better other countries do, and saying we've got to ditch our public schools to compete, when virtually everyone has far less private schooling than we do.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Yes, (0.00 / 0)
and then there's the whole specious idea that "competing" is the raison dé dtre of judging the validity of an approach to education.

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Well, Without That We'd Be Left With Socratic Dialogues Or Worse (0.00 / 0)
Maybe even poetry.

And we can't have that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Dissent (0.00 / 0)
Paul, I fundamentally disagree with your approach to this question -- have mulled responding to many posts, but finally will have at it.  

If we are making an argument about "reform" or "rebuilding our Public School System", it seems to me we have to begin with a description of the problems that exist, recognizing that everyone's take will reflect something of the perspective from which they view the existing system, and the problems.  For myself, it was the experience teaching undergraduates in the 70's, 80's and 90's in a Big Ten University that fairly well reflected the K-12 schools in the state. For me -- and for many of my students the problems were really a lack of standards in expectations.  Most of them grew up during an educational reform era -- they were exposed to any number of curriculum revisions and reforms -- some well executed, some not executed at all, most of them interesting ideas that were very poorly resourced, and the result was 18 to 20 year olds (mostly) who had internalized contradictory standards, or no standards at all.  That is how I would describe a History Section where the majority at the beginning of the course, could not put the civil war in the right century, couldn't discriminate between the civil war and the civil rights movement, didn't know the difference between Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, and could not distinguish between World War I and II.  Yep, tiz that bad.  It was the huge effort it took to teach around this problem (and not bore the minority who had "covered that") and student's serious effort to overcome their problems, that made me into what I would call a "progressive standards person."  

The French are not really known for being reactionary fuddy duddies, but in any school in France on a given day, you can accurately predict what will be the focus.  They actually have had a national curriculum for years, and every school is mandated to teach to it.  How, what special techniques gifted teachers bring to particular classroom -- fine, but if it is elementary chemistry, and school has just begun for the year, you will be doing the Periodic Chart.  And at the end of the unit there will be a test.  Then all French elementary chemistry students in a particular grade all move on to the next topic.  

Now the French are far less mobile than Americans.  For any American Student, the chances that you will be in another school at the end of one school year, or the beginning of the next, are one in five.  If you start public school in a system where the School Board doesn't even build sufficent High School facilities for 40% of its School Population, because it expects that 40% to drop out and go to work in the Rubber Shops when they are 15 or 16, as was the case where I started school in Akron Ohio -- and then you move to a new district where everyone is expected to go to college (as I also experienced), you get two totally different set of standards.  Now if you have two parents, and they are conscious of the issues, these things can be dealt with, but today half of American Students experience break-up of primary family units at some point in their childhood and youth, and contrasting the early 60's with today, children spend 60% less time directly interacting with a parent, parents or other significant adult -- in large measure because of the demands of work on two income families. In my mind, making the Public School an institution with clear standards that are very predictable, and really mandating this, could give American Children a great deal of security that they lack because of the forces in the economy and society that disrupt their education, and over which they and their family have very little control.  It would do something else -- it would force local school boards to make decisions directed toward building on to a national standard.  In Akron, for instance, no one noticed that the School Board never built sufficent High Schools for the population until the 1970's, when the Rubber Companies pulled up stakes and left, and they suddenly discovered the left-behind workforce mostly had not finished High School, and they wondered why.

My idea of how to set National Standards, and then mandate them across the board turns on the notion of conceptualizing a core curriculum, and then having a regular process in which what is included and excluded is widely debated, with the expectation that experts in the content fully participate.  The Core Curriculum would be roughly half of a student's actual work, with the other half reflecting individual interests, electives as well as available assets, and students would be tested and assessed on both.  I would make changes in Core Curriculum very slowly -- the expectations laid on an early grade school student would not be much different from a current High School Student.  Kansas would not be positioned to turn creationism or evolution on and off after each election. Everyone is responsible for mastering the basics of evolutionary theory. Everyone will be tested on it, some will choose to take it a step further, and do an independent or group project that uses evolutionary theory, and be assessed on their work.  School Boards would be expected to configure their personnel resources to meet both the core demands, and the elective interests.  And yes, this probably would require changing the tax system we use to support Public Education -- after all, the real estate tax was a political compromise it took Horace Mann nine years to knock out in the Mass Legislature, in the early 19th century when he was working toward the first public school system. There is nothing that is Holy Writ about it. But as long as your vision of what could be is in the box of what the local real estate assessor says, and the local politics of corporate tax breaks or anti-tax lobbys, it is difficult to have a serious vision of what could be.      



I Don't See A Fundamental Disagreement (0.00 / 0)
I see a different focus.  If the question were "what's your ideal for what should be?" then I wouldn't have a lot to quibble over with what you propose.

But my focus has been on what I see being prepared for, and I've been responding to that.

America has always been deeply conflicted between wanting high national standards, and strong local control.  It would have seemed only natural to me that the way to overcome this conflict and create a consensus on the national side of things--what you are talking about--would be to include a strong contingent of those involved in the heart of the education process, which means teachers as one of the key constituencies.  You also need parents, since their buy-in is crucial.  Instead, we seem to be getting an all-"expert" approach, with "expert" being determined by the powers that be.  And this is just one more formula for folly.

Given that I pretty much agree with you on what we should have, I'd like to know how you think we could/should go about getting it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I disagree with your premise (0.00 / 0)
"America has always been deeply conflicted between wanting high national standards, and strong local control."

In fact I don't agree that the US has ever, in practical terms, agreed with this point.  When Horace Mann began to lead the movement for a Public Education -- free and open to all -- in the late 1820's and early 1830's, the first thing he learned was that Congress was the wrong place to advocate this.  He left his house seat, returned to Mass. and spent nine years advocating, and the best he could get was local taxing districts (local school districts) that would elect a board with three responsibilities.  1. Levy a local property tax, and be the custodian of it.  2)locally test and license teachers for local schools, and 3)mandate and oversee the local curriculum.  For all the strum and drang about Education, we need to go back to basics, recognize that Mann got what he could get in 1839, and it is time to realize that political compromise no longer serves our purposes.  (and hasn't for many many decades). In fact we need to begin by recognizing that the Mann Compromise is way outdated -- and fashion a whole new structure.  

If you jump ahead of Mann by about 90 years, we can take in what FDR observed about schools around Warm Springs, Georgia, in the years he was Governor of New York, and still spending months soaking in the hot springs.  He was invited to give the commencement address to a local school, so he invited the principle of the school to come lunch with him.  A 19 year old kid arrived, who had one year of college, made $300 dollars a year as Principle of Pine Mountain School, and supervised four women teachers who made less.  (This was the white school -- the black school was far less affluent.)  School lasted 4-5 months per year, depending on when Harvest was finished.  Combine this observation with my earlier comments about Akron Ohio only building schools and high school places for 60% of the school age population, something no one noticed till the Rubber Shops went bye bye in the early 1970's, and re-evaluate that first assumption about Americans being committed to any sort of standards.  Nope, Americans are committed to doing it on the cheap, and then bragging about a false front. And Local Control is really about holding down the property tax rate as much as anything, given that about 90% of the costs of K-12 is still supported by real estate taxes levied at the local level.  We support war with a very broad and somewhat progressive tax -- we support education with a most regressive one.  While a few changes have occurred since the Mann Compromise of 1839 -- most school boards no longer test and license teachers -- and many have handed off curriculum to State Boards, the fundamental organization hasn't changed or been repurposed.  So this is where I would begin -- I would set up the process to create a National Core Curriculum which must be available to every child, and make a very substantial part of the cost a National obligation, but I would shift to the states (not local school districts) the responsibility for the "delivery system" -- buildings, equipment, and teacher salaries.  States, I believe, would fairly quickly re-order existing school districts seeking the most advantageous organizational form given mandates and economic realities.  Annual testing covering the whole core curriculum at the state, teaching unit, and individual level would provide the basis for poor performance interventions from the Federal or State level. If it is an individual poor performance, you mandate early remediation, tutoring or summer school.  If it is a teaching unit that performs poorly, you deal with the teacher problem, and if a whole state does poorly, then you send in the Feds and have a revolution.  The Core Curriculum dictates what you test, it preferences skills such as reading at an elementary level, but preferences subject content in more advanced years. (Science, Literature and History for example.)  The Core Curriculum is the national expectation statement.  But since it is expected the core will be only about half of what any individual student does, the states would need to build assessment protocals for more individual projects -- we might call them electives.  The Data People would be commissioned to create a system with a file for every child in the country with very strong security and privacy features, but that would go with a child throughout school.  Yes, I want those 20% of children who move on the average every year to have their records follow them, and be available in part to a new school, and  new teachers.  We have the technology to make education more seamless, so we should configure it that way.  We can do that and still protect privacy with high level security.  Not to be used for employment references or for any police purpose without a proper warrant of individual cause.  

OK -- How would I construct the Core Curriculum?  I can't do it for Math and Science, that is not my competency, but I have ideas about how I would do it for American History/American Studies.  I would begin by recognizing that much of the work has already been done for us.  I have on my reference shelf, several editions of a fat paperback called "The Harvard Guide to American History" -- over 1200 pages long, and mine is not the most recent edition.  It lists topics and subtopics, with a very short one sentence description, followed by a list of recommended sources.  It is designed for a Library Reference Shelf, or a Grad Student.  So I would start with the Guide, and bring together actual historians, and dedicated High School History Teachers, with a large support staff, and proceed to develop a somewhat simplified version of the Guide that probably would include many of the same topics, but would add in books written for children, and given that Obama is going to give everyone broadband, all the web and video resources one could ask for.  Remember, Al Gore wanted to put the whole Library of Congress online.  Fine, let's get with it, but favor for being placed in a digital archive the materials nominated by this Historian and History Teacher's collective I am forming.  Ultimately my new Core Guide gets published in two forms -- an online form that can be revised as new materials emerge, and a small published version that is given to every third grader, when they would be told in no uncertain terms that they are responsible for learning ALL of it before they finish High School.  I would then establish as part of each child's electronic file a way to track what they have covered, what they have done as electives, and any and all tests and assessments. (they could check it off themselves in their little guidebook.)  

This would virtually eliminate the big-thick-heavy History Text Book industry.  Fine, it is a waste of money, and makes children stoop shouldered if they take them home to read.  Instead, for every unit taught, teachers could download and print out the Core materials, even adding special touches of their own, and then suggest elaborations or electives that might appeal to their students.  Schools would just give away these printed on demand booklets, booklets that would be heavy with URL's for additional information, and perhaps, references to on-line self-tests students could use to determine whether they had more or less mastered a topic -- and if not, what they might review. The booklets would have blank pages for note taking -- students would be expected to mark them up.  

Teachers would use classroom time to integrate big topics.  For instance, I would start my third graders with a course dealing with the big question, HOW DID WE GET HERE?  This is about -- World Geography, some geology, uses some biological evidence, particularly DNA, and considerable exposure to records of human migration -- archeological as well as written records.  But since we are in the present in the USA, we really begin with Native American migration to the Western Hemisphere, and develop the story of pre-Columbian society.  We then proceed to take up every wave of migration, including involuntary migrations or slavery, and add it into the mix, with a focus on what each migration wave brought with them, and how each group added a piece to what we call the USA, Here and Now.  Just imagine how you use the whole body of video materials with 8 year olds, -- the National Geographic ones, BBC stuff, PBS stuff, documentary films even from the old Black and White days, interactive video on the web, Google Maps...and much else, but as history, it develops several sensibilities, what is the material (evidence) of history, and what is the chronology, or time lines?  We also introduce cause and effect reasoning at this 3rd grade level by asking and testing the answer to the question. Why do most people in the United States speak English?  Time to talk about the results of Elizabeth the First's British Navy destroying Philip's Spanish Armada (1588) and thus having the naval power to support claims to North American Colonies. (1607 - Jamestown). Yes indeed you can teach all this to 8 year old's, you use a simplified written version, and lots of film and video -- and perhaps you even find a Spanish Armada game, or something about ship construction and sailing to make it more fun. (the electives) Remember, Obama will have given us cheap broadband for everyone, and Al Gore's wish that the Library of Congress be on the Web will be fulfilled -- so we re-imagine the whole curriculum around it.  Ten years of American History for every American Child -- we probably do the subject four times over between third grade and High School Graduation, each time with different questions at greater levels of complexity and sophistication.  Because we can put all the materials anyone could possibly want on servers (cheap) and eliminate expensive book costs and school library purchases (expensive) we could pay teachers better and train them to use these materials creatively, and get much better outcomes, particularly if the Teachers are aggressive and understand they are Proud History Teachers, and not school psychologists or social workers. School and Education is not about day or child care.

I have much more to say about all this...      


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Egads! (0.00 / 0)
I tend to write longish diaries, but here's a comment that puts my diaries to shame!

A few modest responses:

(1)  You wrote:

Nope, Americans are committed to doing it on the cheap, and then bragging about a false front.

This is actually what I meant when I said, "America has always been deeply conflicted between wanting high national standards, and strong local control. "  We've obviously never wanted the high national standards enough to (a) pay for them or (b) let other folks have much say about what those standards should look like.  But dagnabbit, that doesn't mean we don't want them!   It's about conflicting absolutist, irrationally expressed demands.

An added sentence explaining what I meant (or even just the aside, "not that they're willing to pay for it") could have saved a good chunk of your comment.  Though, of course, it was good to have anyway.

(2)

And Local Control is really about holding down the property tax rate as much as anything, given that about 90% of the costs of K-12 is still supported by real estate taxes levied at the local level.

Well, it's also about keeping school funding unequal.  The rich districts can afford much better schools at low tax levels on expensive property, while the poor districts can barely afford basics at high tax levels on very cheap property.

(3) Regarding the topic of a history curriculum, I agree with the idea of repeating the study in increased depth, but (A) What of the standards developed in the 1990s?  Yes, I know Lyn Cheney went ballistic over them after the fact.  But that's not the only thing to recommend them.  I looked into them at the time, and they actually looked pretty good to me.  (B) What of the notion of training students to be historians?  I mean, bits and pieces of this are often used--get a story from a family member, for example.  But I've always thought it would make a great deal of sense to have students study and research the history of their own communities, learning actual historiographical methods of increasing sophistication as they advance, all the way up to writing and defending mongraphs.  Students more interested in art, science, sports or whatever would also have chances, at different times, to approach that interest as an historical study.  It is a way of using history as another common framework for learning, while also providing scaffolding available for branching off into more specialized concerns.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I believe France is smaller and more homogenized; and (0.00 / 0)
they have an education system that is focused on basic academics.  Social safety nets are huge and delivered outside of the schools.  

In the US, we have populations and states that shake it all up.  US schools are expected to serve all children, even those not school ready.   They are charged with their socialization, healthcare, and overcoming their family ills.  When they have time, they do try to teach.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


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Pride in Profession (4.00 / 1)
"In the US, we have populations and states that shake it all up.  US schools are expected to serve all children, even those not school ready.   They are charged with their socialization, healthcare, and overcoming their family ills.  When they have time, they do try to teach."

Yes, I know some schools have even put in Laundry Facilities because kids come to school in filthy clothes, and the teachers try to spiff them up a bit.  

Well, I think across the board, Teachers should use their strength to make the point they are trained and commissioned to teach, and that laundry is the responsibility of Parents, Parent, or Guardian.  And when a kid is perhaps 8 or so, they can learn to do it themselves.  I have no problem at all with planning that co-locates social services in school facilities, such as having social workers and nurse practioners on site.  But that is just not the function of educators, and the problem won't be solved till the Teaching Profession understands it is not a social work program -- and refuses to do much more than make referrals.  And if the needed services are not present and available, then do some proper bitching.  In fact, I think that function quite rightly belongs to Teacher's Unions.  It is a support service that should be available in any school or school district.  Pride in Profession is a lot about being specific as to what is your turf, and what is outside your competence.  

Yes, the US population mix is far more diverse than France's -- though that is changing.  But people are subject to popular culture influences everywhere.  I live near a public housing project (small one) that used to primarily house Hmong refugee families, and now is mostly Somali Families.  It is a ten minute walk from the University of Minnesota.  It takes teenagers about three months from arrival to pick up on major pieces of American Teen culture, distant as it is from Hmong traditions or the Somali experiences. So think about what could be achieved by unpacking the power of popular culture, and using it in very positive ways...  No, you don't do this in the classrooom, you do it in the community, but you create sufficent common links to the popular culture so that differences are less a barrier. Diversity can live side by side with many aspects of generalized popular culture, and it is perfectly possible to make a reasonable degree of academic accomplishment in a core curriculum just a node in popular culture.    


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This Is A Great Ideal, But How Do You Do It? (4.00 / 1)
I'm not saying this to disagree, as I genuinely agree with you.  But teachers are generally so much on the defensive that organizing their power to effectively take such a stand is not exactly a snap.

Right now, probably hundreds of thousands of them are facing pink slips by the end of the year.  So how do they break out of that defensive pattern and do as you suggest?  This most definitely would be a very good thing, so far as I'm concerned, so I'm not being the least bit snarky when I ask "how?"

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
from my comment on teacherken's original dkos post (and thanks Paul!) (4.00 / 2)
the economy is the source of our economic problems -- not education.  This "competitiveness" stuff in relation to a discussion of education policy is pure nonsense.  Actually it's worse.  It carries the distinct odor of a fascistic "reform" - as if the purpose of education is to produce more competitive economic combatants, while in reality it would produce kids who hate what they are told is "learning", don't work together, have no sense of social context, are angry at adults... but test damn well (maybe).

Not Ideas About The Thing, But The Thing Itself -- Wallace Stevens

Allow me to stray a bit... (4.00 / 1)
California districts sent pink slips to 27,000 teachers and direct service providers like counselors on Friday.   The ability to bring many of these employees back hinges on an utterly twisted budget deal that must gain voter approval in a special election this May.  It shouldn't pass, but yet must pass to keep schools in operation.  But because special elections are notorious for low turnout and more conservative voters some very smart people are betting the deal gets deep sixed.    What happens then to California schools is anyone's guess, but there are very real scenarios of mass closings, suspension of the state's school funding guarantee, class sizes swelling to at least 40, shaving days, even weeks, off the school year, and elimination of core classes for graduation.  (And I'm not even counting here new estimates from the state Legislative Counsel that tacks-on another $8 billion to this year's budget shortfall...)

In the midst of this, high poverty districts (a lion's share of the districts in CA) are still spending loads of time, money and effort to meet federal NCLB mandates in what are increasingly futile efforts to stave off "failing" status.

In my district that means pink slipping all music teachers, nearly 200 elementary teachers, librarians, counselors, nurses, social workers and psychologists, while continuing to spend on privately produced tests designed soley to test how kids are likely to perform on yet another test (in this case the state standards tests, considered the toughest in the nation).  These and other dog and pony shows are important to a district needing to demonstrate to the state and feds that they are indeed working to close the achievement gap.

With California's self-imposed high standards, and the present 10%-per-year raises in progress-toward-improvement targets, thousands of schools in California are likely to be deemed failing in the the near future (with the exception of those who learn to game the system by "counseling out" their difficult students...many of these also happen to be charters).

In the wake of this unprecedented budget crisis, I wonder if there is any pol in California with the guts to point to the fact that while our kids get poorer in the near future, their scores are not going to rise in the absence of key teachers, nurses, libraries, counselors, and social workers.  Who will be the first to say that our limited funds are better spent, under the circumstances, keeping these needed-now-more-than-ever positions than by funding the whole apparatus of NCLB in the state?    The present budget catastrophe perfectly illustrates the rub of NCLB and the vapidity of these pronouncements from the Obama Administration.

If the hundreds of citizens who show up at our local school board meetings are any indication, the pendulum may indeed be swinging back to the local level when it comes to fundamental education reform...perhaps we shouldn't be so afraid of this, but recognize the opportunities that could be here.








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