Expecting Too Much From Electoral Politics

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 18:00


Bankruptcy "cramdown" reform went down to defeat in the Senate today. Even if Al Fraken had been in the Senate to vote in favor, and even if Ted Kennedy and Jay Rockerfeller had been around to do the same, the bill still would only have had 48 supporters--12 short of the amount needed for passage. Needless to say, replacing 12 anti-cramdown Senators with 12 pro-cramdown Senators will be an extremely difficult task for the 2010 elections, or really any combination of elections during our lifetime. And this is on a compromise to cramdown legislation.

Senator Durbin is correct to say that this defeat shows the financial services industry owns the Senate. It also shows that if you are looking for a progressive transformation of society, focusing on electoral politics and legislative fights is simply not enough.

Even with the Democratic trifecta, the federal government simply is not a leading edge for change in America. Further, that isn't even really the fault of the Democrats who make up the trifecta, but simply an inevitable condition of the institution itself. The federal government has never, and will never be, a leading edge for progressive change in America. The most powerful people in our country are never going to lurch the federal government to the sharply to the left of where either the most powerful institutions in our country, or the majority of the electorate in our country (as we have seen, the federal government is almost always to the right of where the majority of the country is, even right now). The federal government will never, ever become dominated by the left-wing of America.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Expecting Too Much From Electoral Politics
In his retrospective post on the first 100 days of the Obama administration, Matthew Yglesias made a similar point:

Looking back at 20th-century presidents from the point of view of progressive reform, you find FDR and an agenda fatally compromised by a corrupt bargain with the forces of white supremacy. You find LBJ and the cleansing of Jim Crow jostling awkwardly side-by-side with Vietnam. And it's downhill from there. Realistically, if the health-care and education proposals in Obama's 2010 budget pass Congress-and there's good reason to believe they will-Obama will have achieved more in a few months than Bill Clinton did in eight years. Throw in a thaw in the Latin American Cold War, important bilateral arms reductions with Russia, an impressive economic-stimulus package, and an end to the Bush torture state and this looks like a very solid 100 Days.

The tragedy is that it may not be enough. The world urgently needs major polluting countries to sharply and quickly reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. And the odds of legislation robust enough to do that obtaining the 60 necessary votes in the Senate look very bleak. That's "political reality" and not a character flaw of the president's. But real-world reality is that the political constraints of the moment are condemning the world to disasters decades-hence that future generations will find difficult to forgive.

While President Obama has not accomplished nearly as much as I would like, he has accomplished a huge amount compared to other Presidents. Further, even if Russ Feingold or Barbara Boxer were President, there would be little or no difference in the legislation that has passed Congress so far this year. The 60-vote rule in the Senate, for which there is little to no momentum for changing, all but guarantees that the United States federal government will indefinitely remain a regressive institution relative to the rest of our culture. It was designed as a regressive (although some call it "deliberative") institution that would slow change, and it remains just that. Getting 60 progressive votes across all issue areas will be virtually impossible. Just because we are facing several enormous crises doesn't change the lack of responsiveness from the Senate.

If you want broad progressive change in America, it is essential to look beyond the electoral and legislative realm. Surely we must maintain our efforts on the political front, but the leading edge of progressive change is coming in other areas. Things like the network neutral Internet, increasing immigration, increasing acceptance of the LGBT community, and shifting religious identification are making the country more progressive than any single or combination of political campaigns over the past two decades.

The best we can hope for from electoral politics is two-fold. First, in the short term (the next three to seven years) we can do a bit better, but not much, on the electoral and legislative fronts. Second, in the long-term, we can make sure that the federal government does not in the way of the long-term engines of progressive change. Whatever immigration reform is passed, it can't reduce the number of people coming into this country. Whatever media reform is passed, the network neutral Internet must be preserved at all costs. And, nearly as importantly, the Employee Free Choice Act needs to be passed someday.

Given that the era of "more Democrats" has ended, progressive activists who are interested in sweeping change would probably be best off refocusing not primarily to "better Democrats," but to culturally progressive feedback loops like immigration, net neutrality, and the Employee Free Choice Act. That is where policy can further the leading edges of progressive change, and that is where we need to be.


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repeat after me (0.00 / 0)
this is a center right nation, if you think otherwise you have your head in the sand, just look at the history of the us and be realistic not idealistic.

What does that mean? (4.00 / 4)
Are the people's sentiments center right on this issue?  Or do we have some work to do.  

Go cry in your beer.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Let's hope it's just that you're inept at irony, or that I have a tin ear.... (4.00 / 10)
The Wobblies, the Grange, the AFL-CIO, Robert LaFollette, the ILGWU, the ILWU and Harry Bridges, John L. Lewis and the UMW, A Phillip Randolph and the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, Henry Wallace, the SCLC and Reverend King, SNCC, CORE, SDS, NOW...and that's just off the top of my head.

U.S. history is a lot richer than you seem to realize. In any case, don't try to get a job teaching it, except maybe at Pepperdine, or Bob Jones U.


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Ever since the end of the Dark Ages (4.00 / 5)
Progressives have been advancing.  Sure, you wingnuts can delay stuff for awhile, maybe even a century or so now and again, when you're on a roll.  But us progressives been winning since the 1200's and we sure as well aren't going to let something like Reaganism be anything more than a speedbump of history.

And I think Chris is right, we're picking up a lot of the low hanging fruit right now.  Reclaiming some of the stuff that was lost in past 30 or so years.  But the next big gains are going to take more then just putting the Dems in power.  It's going to require a cultural shift and that takes time.  Just look at what happened in the 30's when people turned away from Hooverism.  A long period of Dems control that lead to the whole civil rights movement (and then some).  That was real progressive, even if racism has been a lot harder to stamp out than anyone ever thought it should be. (and yes, we still have a long way to go, but the gains have been specular)

And so there's no reason that this can't be the beginning of the next big push.  We just have to keep pushing and make sure the GOP doesn't manage to lie its way back into power.  

So yeah, let's take what we can get and then consolidate our gains and play for the long term.    


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This is a fantastic comment (0.00 / 0)
I agree.  Progressive change has, historically, always been gradual.  The conservatives are always the ones that are politically boom and bust.  We should be playing for 15 year windows, I think.

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What Kind? (0.00 / 0)
Are you talking about change as in actual government policy?  Or attitudinal trends?  Relationships?  Technology?

I think we're all using different terms and meanings here.


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specter (0.00 / 0)
Good to see where he stands.

he thinks he is so clever (4.00 / 1)
Specter, to himself: "I get all the benefits of being a Democrat without actually having to vote like one!"

Look at what he has been given:
--A clear primary field (so says Obama and Rendell)
--Re-election
--Full seniority
--DSCC funding

And what, he doesn't have to even vote with us on key legislation? Fuck that. I think other Democratic senators, the unions, and PA voters will get out of this honeymoon real fast if Specter doesn't change his voting patterns.


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Avanti popolo.... (4.00 / 1)
Yep. We need to attack on a wide front. It's been done before.

... a la riscossa !! (4.00 / 2)


Hearing his views, I could not help exclaiming: "Why, Mr. Debs, you're an anarchist!"

rjt12@.....


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We don't need more immigration ... (4.00 / 2)
.. if that is what you are implying.  

We have massive amounts of unemployment coming and you want to increase the amount of people coming into this country?  I respect your opinion on a lot of matters, but that is a reflexively liberal position that is very, very stupid.  But maybe I misunderstood you ... I suspect I did, otherwise your liberalism is negatively effecting your cognition.

And how to "make sure" that these goals you list are realized despite the corruption in the two party system which results primarily in wall street and big business representation?  How to "make them do it"?

Z


If there are no jobs then the immigrants don't come (4.00 / 1)
So that isn't really a worry.

Like outsourcing immigration is highly affected by the economic conditions.

So if anything immigration should provide a buffer to American citizens in the same way that all those factory workers in china are shutting down.

The real issue with unemployment is that the workers don't get to keep the productivity gains and so all the money gets foolishly and capriciously spent.

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The american workers have no leverage partially becoz of excessive immigration (4.00 / 2)
That is partially why they are unable to demand more money.  Everytime that the workers in this country come close to gaining leverage they allow another wave of immigrants .. legal and illegal ... to flow into this country and bring wages back down.  I read somewhere that over half of the construction jobs during the housing boom went to illegal immigrants.  That effects wages, which is why they let them flow in here.  Just imagine the leverage that construction workers would have had without that immigration ... perhaps they could have unionized.  Not to mention that it also divides the populace and makes it more difficult to unionize.

There are times for immigration, these are not times for immigration.  It is liberal dogma that immigration is always good.    

As far as your contention that people won't come here unless there are jobs, immigrants will still come here if they can if things are appreciably worse in their country.

Z  


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Illegal immigration very different than legal (4.00 / 3)
If all immigrants were voters and union members, you'd be singing a different tune.

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My experience, working with politcs and unions in dozens of... (4.00 / 5)
...cities and states, some near the border, some in mid-America regions that were "illegal harbors" is that the influx of immigrants (legal or illegal) has less to do with the decline in worker influence as the lack of engagement of workers/unions until they are motivated by imminent disaster.

If you only pay attention in times of crisis, you lose, inch by inch, causing the 'crisis'.  Most local unions have very few members who actually get involved in local politics beyond the days immediately surrounding elections, if at all.  That is damn near worthless.

This is also true outside of unions and worker issues as well, most Democratic groups are not pro-active in local politics, particularly in a relative comparison to conservative groups.  With the Obama campaign we saw a lot of these people come out into the light for the first time and get involved, we need to convert that involvement to more local action (and in some communities we are seeing this).

Organizations like DFA provide trainings for more effective activism in communities and online (DFA Night School), but we need more of that among progressives.

One of the mistakes common among first time candidates is the expectation that X Union will handle field outreach as that Union has promised to do.  The reality is that Unions on the local level don't have "campaign professionals" who understand field organizing and don't put the needed man hours in to a quality field operation, if they do anything at all prior to the final month of the campaign.  It is far too late at that point.  Most Unions rely heavily on door to door persuasive canvassing in the final 6 weeks of an election to make their "impact".  In reality, that canvassing should have occurred six months prior, generating support, volunteers and potential donors for the campaign so they can reach beyond the Union's influence... but I've strayed from the point.

Union Activists are fantastic, the efforts of many unions on behalf of Barack Obama was outstanding in the 08 election.  In order to return workers/unions to a position of power, they need to maintain that level of engagement year round, on year and off AND get involved in local politics.


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Immigration pushes down wages, but... (4.00 / 8)
I am fully aware that immigration pushes down wages. However...

  1. In the long-run, it makes the country more Democratic. Barack Obama, to say nothing of Congressional Democrats, would have lost by about 2.5% if the electorate was still 87% white, as it was as recently as 1992.

  2. It also keeps our population growing, and allows the number of workers to remain high compared to the number of pensioners.

  3. Unionization is no longer being hurt by immigration. Union density has increased for two consecutive years, largely because unions like SEIU are organizing immigrants and their children.

  4. Besides, I don't really think it is possible to reduce immigration all that much. And, even if it were, if more people want to come into the country and join the team, I don't think it would be very progressive to say no.

So, while I have mixed feelings because of the wage deflation, in the end I think the long-term benefits outweigh the short-term problems with wages. High immigration is just as, if not more, responsible for Democrats taking control of the government than even the poor performance of Republicans.  


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Has this democratic control of congress ... (0.00 / 0)
... led to better wages for workers?  I don't think so, and apparently you don't either from your essay.

You cherry-pick stats by the way, just like all pro-immigration folks do.  The electorate would very likely not still be 87% white without the massive amounts of immigration that has gone on since '92.  People have reproduced since then and though I don't have any data in front of me, I'd imagine that the 13% non-white population has reproduced at a higher rate than the white population.  But I don't know for sure.

As far as number two, which is a good point, there still are limits to how many people this country and its economy can sustain.  At some point, this progression will collapse.

I don't know about point number three, but I'd imagine ... and this is just my intuition on the matter ... that it is much more difficult to form new unions with illegal immigrants.  And legal immigrants who are on H1-B visas, etc. also create a substantial barrier to forming much needed white collar unions which is partially why corporate america loves h1-b visa immigration so much.  You can not claim credibily claim that unions have gotten more powerful during this huge wave of immigration although there are other factors outside of immigration admittedly effecting that as well.

If you enforce the laws against the companies hiring the illegal immigrants, you create a huge amount of deterence on them taking jobs off of existing american workers. There will still be some immigration regardless, but it would be reduced substantially IMO.

Z


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Has this democratic control of congress ... (0.00 / 0)
.. led to much of anything good for workers thus far?  

I guess you can claim that it could be worse, but it certainly has not gotten better and with the dems punking out to corporate america again on efca it is not looking promising.  Not to mention that obama is one of the dems that appears to have no appetite for it despite that it is desperately needed right now.

Z


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Wages for the immigrants go up (4.00 / 5)
Saying wages go down is only true if you ignore the immigrants themselves.

And yes, they count.  People is people.


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It's also the way many (4.00 / 3)
of our ancestors came here. I dunno about yours, but certainly mine. For me, that's a pretty strong #5, and personal.

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Yeah, that was back when this country was building ... (0.00 / 0)
... there was a lot of room for expansion back then.  That is not the case now.  You just can't keep letting people in to infinity ... it's not a moral issue, it is a practical issue.

Z


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immigrants have always been used to (0.00 / 0)
lower wages and as strike breakers. Many immigrants were led off of the boats and directly into the factories that were on strike. So this is nothing new and chris is right if anything is going to move this country it is immigrants

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I'm pretty sure it's both. (4.00 / 1)


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what is immoral about making sure that your citizens have a way of making a decent living ... (0.00 / 0)
... before you let other people in?  Does the fact that that unemployment is so high factor into your thinking at all?

Z


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Not particularly, no. (0.00 / 0)
I guess I think I've been so blessed by this country, by the fact that my grandparents moved here, by all the wealth and opportunity that my family enjoyed, that I don't feel I really have the right to close the doors behind me on some other family.

I understand that practically speaking, there must be some limits at some point. But I'm not convinced that that point is now. But more, I just feel personally unable to say, 'My family won the lottery--sucks to be you and your kids!'

It feels wrong, that's all. I know I'm talking about ethics instead of pragmatics, which brands me as a Very Silly Person Indeed. But still, that's how I think about this stuff.


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I can understand that ... it is an honest perspective on the matter (0.00 / 0)
I don't feel guilty for being here ... not that you explicitly said that you do ... and I don't feel that I owe any future immigrants anything becoz I happen to be born here.  The fact that several generations ago my relatives hopped a boat and came here doesn't mean anything to me at this point.  And I don't think that others that happen to be born in countries where I would like to live owe me anything either.  They've paid taxes into their system ... just like I have here ... and they should be concerned about who they allow to come into that system and how it may affect their lives.  

I am empathetic towards the immigrants' position but I don't think that we can afford any new immigration right now with all this unemplpoyment.  I also believe that it hurts the progressives' cause to so blindly adhere to the dogma that immigration is almost always good.  I think it damages their credibility and rightfully so.  It's basically an ideology that they search for reasons to support while ignoring all other evidence ... and common sense ... to the contrary.

Z


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It's not guilt--it's the desire to share a beautiful (0.00 / 0)
windfall, an amazing gift that I was given. (Or actually, I suppose, the desire to not refuse the same windfall to another family.)

This next thing might sound like guilt to you, but it's not: I did nothing to deserve that gift. I wasn't even born at the time. So I'm the beneficiary of the effort of my grandparents and the generosity of a country that, while it didn't particularly like their kind of people, allowed them to come and live--before they paid a single cent in taxes. (And I'm positive that a) it took decades, possibly a generation, for them to pay as much in taxes as they consumed in services and b) that's not even counting the most important services of all, which is citizenship in this country.)

I'm not well-versed enough in the arguments to know if immigration is always (or even almost always) good, economically-speaking. I've seen credible arguments both ways. Seems to me that where one falls on that depends on what one wants to believe. You choose your side, then you find your evidence.

For me, that doesn't matter so much as the moral position. That is, even if immigration does cause economic harm, I'd support it. For the same reason that I'd support gay marriage even if it caused economic harm.

I think there are two arguments here. Does immigration work? That is, does it help or hurt the economy, now and in the future. And is immigration right?

Not completely unlike the argument about torture. Does torture work? Does it give us actionable intelligence we could not have gotten using other methods? And is torture right?

I'm intellectually interested in the first halves of those questions, but in my mind, they're completely trumped by the second halves.


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I don't equate torture to not allowing immigration at this time ... (0.00 / 0)
... and U haven't either, but since U want to break it down in that manner, I just wanted to point that out.  

Also, to me, this is not a racial issue.  I'm not supporting letting any immigrants into the country.  

And I also don't think that our immigration policies have often been based upon morality despite the "give me your poor, your hungry ..." and all that bunk.  Those policies have mainly been based upon either need or greed.  This is not the case 100% of the time mind you, but generally I believe that is the motivating force behind it and almost certainly is behind this wave of immigration which I don't hear the american people calling for en masse except for Mexicans, this is just business interests getting their way just as they get theri way almost all the time with their government.

I'm not always against immigration.  I am not an anti-immigration zealot despte what some posters reflexively accuse anyone against immigration as being.  There are times that immigration helps a country and it has helped this country in the past, but it's a numbers game and after a while it does not and I think we are at that point right now withthe high unemployment.  I believe that the vast majority of people in this country agree ... more than the polls show becoz people in this country are so self-conscious about being discriminatory.  I think this is a bigger issue with people than the polls show.  As far as actions are concerned, I don't see a big outcry of people in this country outside of Mexicans rallying for immigration right now.  

I think we owe the people that are already here and have paid into the system more than we owe people that want to come here.

But I resepct your opinion and, again, at least you honestly lay it out there.

Z  


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You don't know (4.00 / 3)
as you say, so telling other people what they can and cannot credibly claim is pretty off base. Actually, union density is up in the US almost entirely as a result of growth in service workers unions, which are heavily immigrant - both with and without papers. Union density has improved the power of unions, and of their members.

It's your kind of divisive politics and false claims that make it difficult to build unions that include both immigrants and citizens, or to improve the position of workers in the US.  


Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


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Immigrants in Unions (4.00 / 4)
I have seen many labor strikes over the years in the SF Bay Area, and I can tell you that they are almost all majority Latino. The service industry is where unionizartion need to be happening. That is where Latinos are working and they are fighting for labor rights, perhaps moreso than other cultural groups heavily represented in the service industry (including whites).  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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H1B (4.00 / 4)
It probably is very possible to reduce the number of temporary, high skill, high pay H1B workers who depress salaries for computer programmers, entry level physicians, registered nurses and other jobs.

Otoh, merely making and keeping other immigrants legal will reduce the leverage that shoddy employers have over them and the legal workers forced to compete in a race to the bottom.


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Wasn't this Bernie's method? (0.00 / 0)
"2.  It also keeps our population growing, and allows the number of workers to remain high compared to the number of pensioners."

Sounds like a big Ponzi scheme to me.  :)


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Yes and no... (4.00 / 3)
It's quite right that elections cannot lead to the best policies by progressive-replacement.

On the other hand, it is possible to imagine changed circumstances in which the ownership of the U.S. Senate by the financial sector becomes more politically toxic than it is now, leading the same opportunistic & venal politicians to run away screaming from the positions they now embrace.

So I take what Chris says as a call to think in the right way about strategy.  More of our energy on building up pressure from all directions--betting a bit less on elections.


Really? (0.00 / 0)
"t is possible to imagine changed circumstances in which the ownership of the U.S. Senate by the financial sector becomes more politically toxic than it is now,"

Really? Can you imagine a time when being owned by the financial services sector would actually be viewed even worse than it is now? Really really?


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That's a low bar (4.00 / 3)
(By which I mean to agree with Durbin that the Senate is not too worried about the political costs of supporting the banks' agenda on something like this.) There's a big difference between vague "populist" dislike of bailouts and bonuses, and any real pressure to make reforms in an area like bankruptcy.  I can imagine a time when standing in the way of reforms at the bidding of corporations will become politically costlier.  Don't you agree that making it costlier, both by holding their feet to the fire on scandalous wrongs, and really inspiring beliefs in alternatives, is what progressives can do best?  I have to believe so.

Right now it is a bit depressing that the American people's disgust is not being directed very usefully.  I think many whose lives are turned upside down by the credit card industry would name any number of things they want from Congress before new regulations on that industry.

Right now, for me, health care is the leading cause.  With some good policy and good luck, I believe it can really bring a fundamentally different sense of how the government's policy and legislation can better sort out our most basic & private interests.  "Hey, Ma, Obama really did make something that takes better care of us than the private sector."  I've drifted a bit from cramdown, but it's all about having something serious to say in conversation with the "personal responsibility" topic that serves every time as the justification for giving in to corporate interests.


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Your title is wrong (4.00 / 4)
or partly wrong.

A strategy based ONLY on electing people has failed.

A strategy based on electing people and then pressuring them to hold them accountable has not been tried.

There'd been very little publicity on this bill.  I had no idea it was up for passage until it failed.  There need to be people in the streets before this will change.

Durbin sounds like he's not through yet.  Maybe next time we can bring real pressure.  

We don't have this yet.  Until we get it, neither Obama nor our Congress is going to be worth much.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


We need to change hearts and mind (0.00 / 0)


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I'm glad finally someone said it.... (0.00 / 0)
because i was hoping i was not going to read every comment without seeing that crucial point and being the first one to point it out to everybody....

You all argue "progressives" have been "winning" since 1200...reaganism is a speedbump... etc.

Racism did not decline because of the civil rights acts of 1866,1875, or 1964...it declined because IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL'S MORAL CHOICE...

it is the progressive evolution of morals, not progressives legislating morality that made these racial (and all other) advancements possible.  

Hearts and minds...


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I'm Already Done With It (4.00 / 1)
I'm done with electing people and then "pressuring" them to do the right thing.

It's time to start electing people who agree with us already and making it possible for them to do the right thing regularly - and pressuring them when it looks like they aren't going to.

Lots easier to convince people to act like you think when they already think that way.

Time to get some more movement progressives elected and into positions of power.


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One lesson (4.00 / 7)
of the current fights over cramdown, credit cards and a few other things is that Dick Durbin is a damn good Senator. We should be hoping he becomes majority leader someday.

And yeah, what you said. We could also use some more Senate primary challenges. Sestak vs Specter, Andrew Romanoff vs Micheal Bennet, Bill Halter vs Blanche Lincoln. All three challenges are viable candidates who are already established politicians in their states. All three incumbents voted against cramdown, all three have either come out in opposition too or not committed to EFCA, you probably know the case against Specter, Lincoln is bad on a lot of things, Bennet is a weak candidate who was appointed.

None of the challengers are going to be Ned Lamont but all of them would be big steps up and would send a message. All should be able to get union support of their incumbents keep up the anti-EFCA stuff. Add on blogs, other progressive groups and the networks they've built up in their states and we could win.


John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Scalps (4.00 / 5)
Nothing like two or three big primary wins to put the fear of God in a lot of "our" Senators and representatives.  Look at the influence of the Club For Growth on the Republicans (and CFG has a lousy track record but they are relentless).

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Durbin as ML isn't going to happen as long as... (0.00 / 0)
...as the guy in the White House is also from Illinois.

Personally, I'd also like a Majority Leader who better displays passion.  It translates to a much better emotional response from "the people".


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furious (4.00 / 1)
 i read in the hill durbin is hoping to put cramdown in the conf bill with pelosi. i read also obama admin has put no pressure on congress to pass this thing. it will only make it out of conf if obama pushes it

Thank you for posting this. (4.00 / 1)
I swear to god that we need to form a protest movement one that is incorporates the Obama style organizing with someone who is charismatic who can speak to the everyday American.

the better Democrats need to be us (0.00 / 0)
i don't mean that in any sense of toeing a party line or such. really, it's not about a political party at all - that's just a tactic, a means to our ends.

what we need to build is a stronger open society. organizational strength outside of official government bodies. a denser web of connections between people that ties into what we deal with in our day-to-day lives. a place to look to for support, for advice and insights and opinions, where that's coming from us, for us, not flowing out of an underpaid group of staffers in a DC office.

solidarity - as a way of thinking, as a practical fact - seems to me to be the only source of sufficient power to oppose the entrenched interests that are running things now.

i think you're spot on in what you're saying here in this post. electoral change might come out of those efforts, but it can't ever cause them, it's not ever going to be the source.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


Let's encourage people to close their accounts (0.00 / 0)
with the bailed out banks and the credit card companies that lobbied against this.

The concept of "better Democrats" is a joke. (4.00 / 2)
There is no such thing particularly when there is so much money pumped into Washington and politics in general.

I agree with the last paragraph that progressives should focus on particularly issues.  If it means avoiding election campaigns than so be it.

This cramdown issue should confirm for many that the financial oligarchy owns Washington.  

Democrats continue to leave openings for a conservative repug to capture populist rage someone very similar to Mike Huckabee.

RebelCapitalist - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.


"The concept of "better Democrats" is a joke." (4.00 / 3)
How many more left-voting Democrats would we need in the Senate to pass the legislation we want? I would argue that a net of 10 leftists in the Senate would result in a dramatic leftward shift in national policy.

Traditionally, this seems like an impossible proposition, but given the near collapse of the Republican Party and a growing trend liberalism generally, it may not achievable. We could grab 5 more seats in 2010 alone, and may primary out some of these god-awful appointments. It could be game-changing, why give up on that?

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


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Sorry, Chris... (0.00 / 0)
but I disagree with most of your article, however I do see where you're coming from....thanks and keep up the good work! (no pun intended)

Glad to see an early penduluum swing (0.00 / 0)
Folks -- if we are serious about a more progressive country, we have to do it in all arenas, though not necessarily all at the same time (tho it would help.) We need to elect better Democrats and scare the crap out of bad Democrats -- and we need to be able to assemble ourselves as a mob with pitchforks at strategic moments.

And we need to respect that various people working in various arenas might be advancing toward similar goals, even when we don't agree on tactics or even analysis. And each of our arenas needs to know that it may be central to progress only for a moment in time.

All very hard to do, but not optional.

Can it happen here?


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