Budget Spending Specifics

by: Chris Bowers

Thu May 07, 2009 at 13:26


Here are the changes in spending the Obama administration has proposed from the 2009 budget to the 2010 budget. The amounts are in billions of dollars, the changes are derived from wikipedia, and the discretionary spending is broken down by agency:

Mandatory ($40 billion)

  • Social Security: $32.5
  • Medicaid: $31.0
  • Medicare: $28.0
  • Interest on debt: $25.0
  • Potential disasters: $8.1 billion
  • Other: -$86.8 (mainly unemployment)

Discretionary ($119.685 billion)

  • State: $15.0
  • Housing: $7.4
  • Education: $5.3
  • Infrastructure bank: $5.0
  • Veteran's Affairs: $4.9
  • Commerce: $4.5
  • Defense + wars: $3.1
  • EPA: $2.7
  • Agriculture: $2.3
  • Transportation: $2.0
  • Social Security admin: $1.0
  • NASA: $0.9
  • Interior: $0.7
  • Other agencies: $0.7
  • Labor: $0.6
  • Treasury: $0.6
  • Homeland Security: $0.5
  • Service: $0.25
  • Science foundation: $0.1
  • Education: -$0.1
  • Corps of Engineers: -$0.2
  • HHS: -$1.3 (not including Medicare and Medicaid)
  • Justice: -$1.5
  • There is also an increase of $66 billion in "Other" spending, which likely refers to the new health care investment.
Bailout: (-$700 billion)
The TARP program has been budgeted with zero actual dollars for fiscal year 2010, but still has a $250 billion "placeholder." This money is included in the budget in the event that President Obama requests an additional $750 billion in bailout funds, as it is expected that losses on those funds would reach $250 billion. However, it is not the same as actually requesting or appropriating the funds.

In the unlikely event that such a request was made, it is highly unlikely that such a request would ever pass Congress. In the House, the second $350 billion in TARP funds only garnered 155 "yea" votes back in January, 63 short of a majority. Voting for additional bank bailouts is political death for endangered Democratic members of Congress, and would cost President Obama a huge amount of political capital. It isn't going to happen.

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Commentary on these numbers in the extended entry,

Chris Bowers :: Budget Spending Specifics
Overall, the non-bailout related spending increases amount to about 1.2% GDP, although that number will probably rise due to overall declines in GDP.

My main reaction to such a change is disappointed surprise. I mean, is that it? Is that the massive ideological argument in this country? A difference over only 1.2% of the economy? Further, 25% of the increases come from mandatory spending programs, and another 40% comes from one program: the new health care investment. The other increases amount to only 0.4% of GDP, which is practically a rounding error.

There is an enormous gap between the tone of the rhetoric surrounding our national political debate, and the reality of that debate. If, after six years of trying to retake the Congress and the White House from Republicans, the changes Democrats institute come out to only 1.2% of GDP, then we all need to calm down quite a bit over politics.

It seems that we are applying the term "sweeping change" in an extremely hyperbolic manner. A change in government management of 1.2% of GDP just isn't sweeping change.

The lack of sweeping change isn't really President Obama's fault. The Congressional Progressive Caucus is only proposing a budget with additional long-term spending that is equal to 1.2% of GDP beyond President Obama's budget, for a total increase of 2.4% of GDP over Bush. The large political blocks in our country are simply not making radically different proposals from each other.

Looking at these numbers, it feels as though, from the Progressive Caucus to the Republican Study Committee, we are all just nibbling around the edges of a broad consensus. Once in a while, big fights will flare up over Iraq or Social Security. However, more often than not, we are deluding ourselves into believing that the political debate in this country is over something grander than it actually is.


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we (the people) have a broad consensus on how we want govt to spend and do -- (4.00 / 1)
it's our elected officials of both parties --and the permanent DC village -- who is absolutely ignoring it. And it's killing us -- literally.

there are clear majorities for less military/defense spending and for national healthcare and for money for social programs and not for wall st, etc.


I agree that there is broad consensus on spending (0.00 / 0)
Though putting things in terms of GDP and excluding a trillion dollar stimulus does make the spending look less significant.  Still, what I learned from the Bush years is that the government could easily spend $100 billion on anything it likes, and $1 trillion is conceivable.  Judging from the stimulus, Democrats learned the same lesson.

I don't know what you mean by tone. If you mean calling people socialists, then sure, that's nonsense. On the other hand, I cannot recall anyone running for office of any kind proposing doubling spending, or a 30% rise in taxes, or anything that is outside the bounds of what we see Democrats doing; there are a few Republicans with flat tax plans, but even they pretend to be revenue neutral. So in that sense, I think I think the debate in this country is right in line with what happens.


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why the surprise? (4.00 / 2)
You didn't take all this talk of "socialism" seriously, did you? Obama certainly never gave the impression that he wanted to dramatically increase the size of government.

With that being said, a 1.2% increase in government spending could, theoretically, constitute sweeping change - if it involved, say, a 50% decrease in military spending and a commensurate increase in spending on health care, renewable energy, the environment, etc. One budget won't get us there, but gradually working towards that sort of budgetary redistribution should be our long-term goal.


yes, but (4.00 / 4)
Isn't the difference in DNA between humans and mice something like 2%? It may not sound like much, but can make a pretty big difference...

..and yes, I know, weak analogy. But I would argue that Gates' plans for cuts in wasteful defense spending and increases in more useful spending is an example of a situation where the topline numbers just don't reflect the real changes being implemented.

I think that if it were merely up to Obama and Pelosi, the numbers would change more significantly -- but the Senate seems to be Status Quo City, where reform goes to die.


Not that weak (0.00 / 0)
If we put all the Iraq War money into into high speed rail, for example, would be a pretty major difference but not effect the bottom line at all.  (Not that we are actually doing that, mind you.)  The scale of the budget matters, but the priorities matter more.  What would single payer health care cost in terms of percentage of our military budget?

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I saw a few good things in the special cuts appendix (4.00 / 1)
the one that listed the 17B savings.
- No new nuclear warhead replacement (sorta dead anyway)
- considerbly less for Missle Defense 'research' and deployment - Huzzah!
- Cutting free cotton storage for farmers (wtf?)
- No Multiple Kill Vehicle research
- Ending Raptor program
- Cutting the black hole that is the Warfight Modernization giveaway to defense contractors.

Would you please explain something to me? (0.00 / 0)
If the total Federal debt is now something like 10 Trillion dollars, and if the rate of interest on that debt is 1%, that would come out to .1 Trillion dollars, or $100 Billion

1% seems like a very plausible lower bound for an aggregate interest rate. I don't know much about this stuff (hence the question), but if you look at this web page you see that "one-year MTA" has a current interest rate of 1.340. A year ago it was 3.528.

Computing the total interest would be a very involved calculation, involving many different debt instruments with many different interest rates, all of which, apparently, fluctuate considerably.

Even so, I think you can the reason for my skepticism that the aggregate interest is something like .25%. I can easily believe that it is 10 times as much.

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Never mind (0.00 / 0)
I looked at the wikipedia page, and the total interest payment is ~$160 billion. You posted the changes, not the totals.

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