Bogus Process Arguments

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 20:37


Some aspects of congressional process are subject to hard and fast rules that are not open to interpretation. These include needing 60 votes to enact cloture on debate in the Senate, or requiring a majority of those present and voting to for a motion to pass in the House.

However, other aspects of parliamentary process are relatively vague, leaving open significant room for interpretation. One such example would be the "Byrd Rule," which seeks to limit the types of bills that the Senate can use during the reconciliation process. Even the House Committee on Rules explicitly states that the Byrd Rule is open to interpretation. From the Committee's website (emphasis mine):

Under the Byrd rule, the Senate is prohibited from considering extraneous matter as part of a reconciliation bill or resolution or conference report thereon. The definition of what constitutes "extraneous matter" is set forth in the Budget Act; however, the term remains subject to considerable interpretation by the presiding officer (who relies on the Senate Parliamentarian). The Byrd rule is enforced when a Senator raises a point of order during consideration of a reconciliation bill or conference report. If the point of order is sustained, the offending title, provision or amendment is deemed stricken unless its proponent can muster a 3/5 (60) Senate majority vote to waive the rule.

Given this, in the specific case of using the reconciliation process for health care reform, there is no "most accurate" interpretation of the Byrd Rule. That is to say, it is not possible to derive at the one true and proper understanding of the Byrd Rule through sheer linguistic analysis and hermeneutics. Instead, there are a range of interpretations, all of which can be deemed correct, based on the political will of the presiding officer enforcing the rule.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Bogus Process Arguments

Because they are open to a range of interpretations, arguments that a piece of legislation will be defeated by one of the second, vaguer aspects of parliamentarian process are ultimately bogus. An example of just such a bogus argument comes from Senator Kent Conrad today, when he argues to Ezra Klein that health care reform can't go through the conciliation (that is, 50-vote requirement) process:

Reconciliation was never designed to write substantive legislation. It was designed solely for deficit reduction. The whole idea was you would change numbers, not policy. You would change numbers on the revenue side of the equation and the spending side of the equation.

And so, the way it works, under current rules, if your in reconciliation, you have to be deficit neutral over five years. Under the budget resolution, health care can be deficit neutral under 10 years. That's a big difference.

Two, under reconciliation, you're subjected to the Byrd rule. The Byrd rule says that anything that doesn't cost money or save money, or that only costs money or saves money in a way that's incidental to the policy, are subject to strike. The result, for instance, is that all the insurance market provisions are subject to strike. All the wellness and prevention provisions are subject to strike. The Senate parliamentarian said to us that if you try to write substantive health reform in reconciliation, you'll end up with Swiss cheese.

Now, I freely admit that I do not understand Senate process nearly as well as Kent Conrad. However, I seriously doubt that Kent  Conrad has such an elevated understanding of Senate process, that his interpretation on the use of reconciliation in health care completely invalidates the view of the House Rules committee and the Obama White House combined. This is because both the House Rules Committee and the Obama White House have insisted that health care reform can go through the reconciliation process, which is why both successfully pushed for that process to be included for health care in the budget blueprint.

The issue is not whether Kent Conrad or the White House and House of Representatives are offering the one true interpretation of the Byrd rule and reconciliation process in this instance. Clearly, there are arguments on both sides of this debate over process. Instead, the issue is one of political will. Is the Senate Democratic leadership is willing to use reconciliation for health care reform?

The vague aspects of political process are almost infinitely mutable to the will of the people in charge of the process. When someone claims that a piece of legislation cannot pass muster under reconciliation, even though many, many members of Congress and the White House claim that it can, what that claim actually means is that the person does not want to use reconciliation to pass that piece of legislation. It is in this way that many process arguments are ultimately bogus.

The Democratic leadership in Congress and the White House are going to have to start cementing their will to use the reconciliation process on health care reform. This is because there are not enough votes to pass health care reform without a public option through the House, and there are not enough votes to pass a public option through the 60-vote rule in the Senate. This means that there will either be no health care reform, or that health care will go through the reconciliation process. Given that not passing health care reform would be a total political disaster for Democrats, it is reconciliation or bust for health care reform.  While it is certainly important to spend a few months making the public case that the opposition to health care reform was simply intractable and would act in good faith, the entire time we better be shoring up the votes and the will to pull this off through reconciliation.


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They. Just. Don't. Get. It. (4.00 / 4)

 The Democrats keep making these meek, feeble curtsies to the all-important concept of "bipartisanship"... completely oblivious to the fact that the Republicans' only long-term hope for survivability as a party is to ensure that the Democrats fail during their current window of power. And they best accomplish this by torpedoing ANY health-care reform that positively impacts the public.

 This is exactly what they did in 1993. The Republicans launched a kamikaze mission against Bill Clinton's health care reform initiatives -- and succeeded in painting the Democrats as failures, which helped grease the skids for their takeover of Congress in 1994.

 I find it next to impossible to believe that the current Senate Democrats aren't AWARE of this. And still they insist on pleasing Republicans, thinking they'll play nice and compromise.

 This is a wholesale, systemic failure of the party structure. We have no fighters in our party leadership, because our party structure doesn't reward fighters. For all the hype about the ruthlessness of Rahm Emanuel, the only arms he twists are those of progressive Democrats. He's extremely obsequious to Republicans.

 It appears that Kent Conrad, and the rest of the Democratic leadership, spent the Bush years in a coma. And the Democrats' failure to learn from history will likely doom them again... at which point they'll blame it all on the blogs.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


You couldn't have said it any better ... (4.00 / 1)
the problem is ... how do we go about changing it? .. does anyone know what politicians are coming to Netroots Nation this summer?  Because that is one area where we can press this issue about Democrats being so damn spineless

[ Parent ]
re (4.00 / 2)
the problem is ... how do we go about changing it?

here's a thought. maybe good. maybe bad.

since democrats can be scared rather easily let's use that to our advantage. spread that 1994 will be repeated if they mess this up.


[ Parent ]
Has anybody noticed how little Obama (0.00 / 0)
seems to be shaping this debate?

All we seem to hear about are the various opinions and groupings in the Congress and what they want and will vote for.

Doesn't the President exert any kind of moral authority and/or political clout over these people in Congress?

As best I can tell, the guy just seems so passive on the issue -- waiting for battle lines to be drawn in Congress before he jumps in front of the fray.

Can't Obama come up himself with an absolutely clear plan, and say, these are the items that I insist on, and if I get anything less, I'll veto the bill until Congress gets it right? Is he going to be willing to sign on the dotted line no matter what kind of compromised junk appears on his desk?

What's ironic about this is that health care reform was supposed to be the epochal piece of legislation that Obama was saving all his powder for, according to his defenders. It was supposed to be the checkmate in the 11-dimensional chess game.

If it turns out to be just watered down, nearly counterproductive slop, what will have been the point of all the earlier naked compromises on war in Iraq and Afghanistan, on state secrets, on government transparency, on the bailout, etc.?

All of that will have been thrown away in deference to right wing sensibilities only so that we could get a truly crappy health care reform bill?


To put it in a nutshell (0.00 / 0)
isn't it passing strange that we hear from many other parties what they insist on, but not from Obama?

I mean, we may get a sense of what he supposedly wants, but what does he insist on?

Am I the only one who thinks maybe he really has no hard and fast conditions here, partly because he just doesn't care about the actual outcome in any detail, and partly because what he really insists on is something -- anything -- he can sign and claim is "health care reform"?


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well (4.00 / 3)
he was at a town hall today talking about the public option. I think he really does want to include that in a bill. But I agree, he needs to fight for it and not rely on the House Progressive Caucus to be the only people pushing hard for it.

If Obama put out a statement saying he will only sign a health care reform bill that includes a strong public option, that would greatly change the course of the debate. Of course, it would piss off Chuck Grassley and the GOP and thus make the bipartisan fetishists cry (think Baucus, Conrad, McCaskill, etc.). Which Obama is seeking to avoid.

But he has to realize that someone will be unhappy at the end of this. Will it be the GOP and their insurance company friends, or will it be the Democratic base and the millions of Americans hoping for health care reform? Because you can't make both of those groups happy.


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I'm not really surprised (0.00 / 0)
Obama seems to act under a belief that there is a limit to the scope of presidential power and that real change must be initiated by Congress, with his role merely as a facilitator.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
there's something important to what you say -- this episode very much reminds me of how Obama handled the legislation in the Illinois State Senate on the "Health Care Justice Act."

The Health Care Justice Act, which Obama sponsored in the state Senate, grew out of work done by the Campaign for Better Health Care, an Illinois coalition of healthcare advocates, labor unions, and nonprofit organizations. The ostensible goal was simple: make affordable healthcare available to all Illinoisans. But the politics were anything but simple.

On one side were healthcare advocates, eager to capitalize on the Democrats having won control of the General Assembly and the governor's office. On the other were most insurers, who worked vigorously to sink the bill. Obama was in the middle, trying to reconcile a range of agendas to get a viable plan signed into law.

But it's one thing to do adopt this role as one of a large body of legislators, another to do so as embodying the Executive Branch.  


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on the other hand (0.00 / 0)
People writing about this can point to specific things that Republicans were not able to pass through reconciliation.  (I don't recall the examples.)  That implies that the "Green Lantern" theory of Senate rules (it's just a matter of will) is false.  

It does seem to me that portions of a public option should be able to be passed through reconciliation, but it is not an open and shut case.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


the Bush tax cuts (0.00 / 0)
were passed through reconciliation, and they definitely were not revenue-neutral. If anything, health care reform would be revenue positive over the long term by reducing per capita health care spending. The Senate should pass it, and fire the damn parliamentarian if he doesn't play along. The GOP fired plenty of parliamentarians who were too strict about this stupid rule.

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the revenue neutral stuff is a red herring (4.00 / 1)
The point is that reconciliation has to be about revenue (the budget).  It gives the mechanism to pass a budget (and change taxes) so (thank goodness) the federal govt is not like California.  

Each and every "provision" not related to revenue/spending can (and will) be challenged, and there is a real danger that important parts will fail.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


[ Parent ]
I disagree (0.00 / 0)
Firing the parliamentarian would be like firing Archibald Cox.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

[ Parent ]
Yep (4.00 / 1)
As long as the progressives in the House stand strong and refuse to vote for watered-down health care reform, the White House will have to try reconciliation. Hell, Obama insisted that reconciliation be in there for just that reason.

Baucus is going to have to deal with the fact that he can't please Chuck Grassley and get a bill through the House. He has to pick one or the other.

Of course, if the House Dems break ranks then we're screwed. But as long as they hold together, we can do this. But we all have to keep calling legislators.


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