Common Sense Slowly Winning Out Over Conventional Wisdom

by: Mike Lux

Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 13:30


Conventional wisdom has a powerful grip on the minds of most political players inside the beltway, no matter what common sense, actual political reality, the best policy arguments, and actual polling say. Pundits, traditional media reporters, columnists, powerful lobbyists, insiders, White House officials and Senators go into a legislative battle convinced that a certain scenario will play out, and keep telling themselves that over and no matter what. This standard fact of DC life has been especially true in the health care fight, the CW being that a more progressive bill could never get through the Senate, therefore the Senate Finance bill would be the compromise everyone would have to live with if we were going to get health care reform done this year. Sometimes, though, conventional wisdom runs into a brick wall of political reality and common sense, and the latter occasionally prevails, because at the end of the day, elected officials will have to defend their votes made on the floor of the House and Senate. In health care, we may be getting to that moment.

I explain why, and discuss more on the politics of the situation, in the extended entry.

Mike Lux :: Common Sense Slowly Winning Out Over Conventional Wisdom
What is happening right now is that Democratic Senators not on the two health care committees know that they will be voting on the issue soon, and they are starting to look at the details of the Senate Finance and HELP committee bills. The problem for the conventional wisdom version of events is that when Senators are actually looking at having to vote for and defend the Finance bill, it is making them really nervous. The bill was crafted so heavily in favor of corporate America that voters aren't going to like it, and Senators would have a hard time defending it to their voters.

The Finance bill is still pretty awful on middle class affordability issues, even though Baucus was forced to make changes in the right direction on that issue, and middle class affordability is about as central an issue for most voters as you can get. A tax on good health insurance benefits is also incredibly unpopular, and it's in the bill. A public option is incredibly popular, and it's not in that bill. An individual mandate to buy health insurance without a public option is very unpopular, and that's what this Finance bill has in it. Business taking some responsibility for their workers' insurance, which is common sense to most voters, is noticeably lacking in the bill. On issue after issue, when it comes to doing the things that are actually popular with the voters, the Finance committee chooses to go the other direction and do the unpopular thing.

Rank and file Democratic Senators are just starting to realize all this, and are beginning to go to Harry Reid and plead with him to take more of the language from the HELP bill when he merges the two bills. Most Democratic Senators are not going to want to have to defend the unpopular mess that is the Finance bill, and the pushback against it is gearing up.

Which brings us to the 60 vote issue. The White House deserves a lot of credit for pushing through a provision in the budget bill passed earlier this year, over the objection of Budget Committee Chair Kent Conrad, that allows at least part of health care reform to go through the reconciliation process (which requires only 51 votes). That option hangs over the heads of those conservative Democrats who don't want to support a good bill, because they know if they decide to oppose health care reform, they can be rolled if needed. Even if they don't want to vote for the bill on final passage, these Democrats are going to have to decide if they want to support a Republican filibuster to kill healthcare reform. If they do, they risk the wrath of their party's President on his number one priority, the issue he knows will define him as a success or failure in the first year of his Presidency. They risk voting for all these unpopular provisions in the Senate Finance bill. They would risk a nosedive in the approval of the Democratic party nationwide, which will also hurt them in their state. They risk a drop in voter turnout among base Democratic groups in their next election. And if they actually were instrumental in killing health care reform when we had finally gotten so close, they would pretty much guarantee a serious well-funded primary challenge the next time they run. My question is: would they really risk all this knowing that if they vote with the Republicans on cloture, Democrats will just roll them and go the reconciliation route? Political common sense may finally prevail with these conservative Democrats in the end as well.

Slowly but surely, political common sense is waking the Democratic Party up. House progressives are holding firm on the public option, and Nancy Pelosi is reminding people practically everyday that she can't pass a bill without one. Senator Harkin keeps reminding people that we have a majority in the Senate to pass the public option. The Baucus bill carries more water with every passing day. Harry Reid told voters back home in Nevada that the final bill would have a public option in it (although he later waffled some to give him more flexibility to continue to deal with his Senate conservatives.) Rahm Emanuel told Charlie Rose last week that while it would be tough to get a public option out of the Senate, "that doesn't mean in the House they're not going to come to the table and demand it."

Democratic leaders waking themselves up from the conventional wisdom trance they have been in since the beginning of this debate, and are realizing that political reality and common sense may dictate having a better bill, a bill with a public option, a bill that is affordable to the middle class, be the final bill that gets signed into law. Sometimes, common sense does prevail. Hopefully, that will be the case on health care.  


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Common political sense (0.00 / 0)
This reminds me of a recent post by Chris Bowers, where he states something to the effect that legislation that is unpopular is rarely enacted. And you have well enumerated the ways that the Finance Committee bill would be unpopular. So, common political sense would lead one to expect that the final Senate legislation will be better than the Finance Bill, and that what emerges from the conference between House and Senate will be even better.

What I am still nervous about is the 60 votes. It just takes one maverick to throw in a monkey wrench. Yes, it was very wise to have the budget reconciliation option dangling over the proceedings, but I am not well enough informed to know whether that path is procedurally possible, and therefore a credible option. I sure hope it is.


Bowers wasn't being honest. (1.33 / 3)
Throughout the entire Bush regime, Congress passed many bills that were unpopular - both with the public and the Constitution, the only entities whose standards matter.  Sure, the tax cuts to the wealthy, the resolution to invade Iraq, the Military Commissions Act, and others were popular with the establishment, but the establishment is the minority and always has been.

So once again a bill that is unpopular and, more importantly, bad for Americans, will be passed and signed into law, and Mr. Bowers will go on spinning events to justify his own part in helping them to fruition.



[ Parent ]
This comment should be troll rated (2.67 / 3)
and, in my opinion, the commenter should be banned for making it. Or at least warned about potential banning if he continues to make such accusations.

Disagreeing about tactics, strategy, and interpretation is one thing. That's what debate is for, and its fine if it gets heated. In fact it should get heated, since these are important topics. However, accusations of bad faith should not be welcome. They are corrosive and do nothing to advance either understanding or action. They are also, in my opinion, fundamentally anti-progressive in that they are based on a hermeneutics of suspicion rather than an assumption of solidarity.

Just my 2 cents, from someone who doesn't comment much but has been reading the site since it was established.


[ Parent ]
Oh, hello there Mr. Pot! (0.00 / 1)
How nice to meet you!  My, isn't it nice of you to point out my blackness?  And might I say you're looking rather ebony yourself.



[ Parent ]
His opinions are weighed by all his posts. (2.00 / 2)
He lowers the weight people give his opinions by actions like this.

He makes errors like this, based on his anger, which as you say is justified, but its corrosive and leads to nonsense like this.

I fear that his anger is more important to him than accuracy or outcome, so long as someone can be denounced it seems. Yet with all the bluster and self righteousness this too is part of the group that has to work together to get things done. Sometime over the last three years Mike learned a lot and cant believe we haven't solved all these problems yet. I am sure he feels it is due to either a lack of bloody minded will, and of course betrayal by traitors. Anger is therefore the only stance possible.

I am sure he will find other ways to struggle. I wish him good speed.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
a timely poll (4.00 / 3)
The Plum Line ( http://theplumline.whorunsgov.... )

This finding, from the nonpartisan Research 2000 poll for DailyKos, really challenges the conventional wisdom [my emph] that the public is adamantly opposed to Democrats passing their own health care bill without any GOP support. The framing is really interesting:

Which of the following scenarios do you prefer/ do you prefer?

Getting a health care bill with the choice of a strong public health insurance option to compete with private insurance plans that's supported only by Democrats in Congress, OR Getting a health care bill with no public option that has the support of Democrats and a handful of Republicans?

Public option: 52%
No public option: 39%

A majority prefers getting a Dem-only bill with a public option rather than a bill without one that has the support of a few Republicans. And more independents, too, favor the partisan public-option bill, 47%-42%.
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When Americans are asked whether they're prepared to sacrifice the public option for the sake of having a bipartisan bill, a majority says No and opts for the partisan bill. That suggests people may care far more about getting a public option than they do about bipartisanship for its own sake.

Man, I hope so.  And I hope the Senators take note of which the majority find more important:  a good bill, or bipartisanship.


Thank you so much for this poll. (0.00 / 0)
The fact that it was the great orange satan polling in direct opposition to Obama's preferred method of governing is also encouraging.

Very encouraging.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Forget Primary Challenges (4.00 / 2)
And if they actually were instrumental in killing health care reform when we had finally gotten so close, they would pretty much guarantee a serious well-funded primary challenge the next time they run.

I think some conservadem Senators are going to face third party challengers on the left, who will take enough votes to defeat them.

If they clearly demonstrate that a 60-vote majority is meaningless, then they will have reaped exactly what they've sown.

And don't surprised if one or two of those same third party candidates run as real Democrats the next time around.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Why forget primary challenges? (0.00 / 0)
Or do you mean after even an unsuccessful Primary challenge, that some of these (Baucus and Lincoln for example) could, no should, still face that challenger in the general?


Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Yes (4.00 / 1)
That's one meaning.

Another is that primary challenges are nothing compared to the threat of third party challenges.

It's much easier to knock some people out in the general, given how much sway a small state Senator has over the state party.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Always good to think positive.... (0.00 / 0)
Seems like momentum for the public option has hit a bit of a plateau this week - not unexpected given the guaranteed defeat in Senate Finance.

The question is whether the public option will (re)start gaining momentum, and gain enough momentum, in time to pass the floor votes and make it into the final bill.

It feels kind of like both the Gore and Kerry campaigns in the final stretch - it seemed like the momentum was there, but it just wasn't quite enough (ht to the Supreme Court in 2000, of course).

I hope the same doesn't happen with health care.

The other trick will be to transition this momentum to the climate bill negotiations. The health care fight has injected some actual principled debate into the Senate along with the standard "compromise to the right" routine. If that stays around, the climate bill could end up better than anyone would predict right now.


Everything you say makes perfect sense (0.00 / 0)
... which makes me nervous

LOL (0.00 / 0)
It will need everything we can think to throw at it, no matter how possible it seems to be becoming.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
What about the guy Crist appointed? (0.00 / 0)
Any chance he'd vote for cloture?

Yes - check this out! (0.00 / 0)
http://online.wsj.com/article/...

Crist has appointed his campaign manager as a placeholder. This could be an ace in the hole.


The link he put in has a few extra chacters added -here's the right one (0.00 / 0)
http://online.wsj.com/article/...
And here is the interesting facts about the man.

What that means on crucial legislation is anyone's guess, given Mr. Crist's protean politics. The governor has driven private property and casualty insurers out of the state by expanding a government-favored public option for hurricane insurance. He also made a show of endorsing President Obama's $800 billion "stimulus" earlier this year. With a health-care public option in the balance in coming weeks, no one seems to know how Mr. LeMieux might vote.



Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
I do think that the Senate Finance bill (0.00 / 0)
is so bad that it will have to be approved. I am also worried that the Senate Dems are going to stick a "public option" label on something that is not a public option much like Cantwell did in declaring her amendment the public option.

I hope your more optimistic view of how things are shaping up is right and I am wrong.


public option (4.00 / 1)
I would rather be negotiating in conference committee over what the public option looks like than over whether there will be one. That's where I'm hoping we will get to by the end of the Senate floor fight.

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I'm a little confused by your comment (0.00 / 0)
Negotiating over what the public option looks like is the whole crust of whether or not there is one IMO. Changing the definition to mean something else does mean you will go into conference without one.  If you slap the "public option" label on a trigger or a co-op or any other of the private insurance proposals currently floating around the Senate, it will be the same as eliminating it from the conference.

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Overton window (4.00 / 1)
I disagree.  While it is absolutely true that something called the "public option" could be pretty weak, it is also true that it is better to be fighting over what kind of public option to include than it is to fight over if a public option is included.

In other words, the whole right-hand edge of this debate has been tossed out.  This shifts the debate to the left as the average of the available choices is further to the left.

So yes, there are bad options available, but fewer than before.


[ Parent ]
The assembly of the Bill after Ctte is not a legal process, it is almost (0.00 / 0)
start from the beginning. AT least it is closer to that than Roberts rules of order with legal documents being codified. As Chris and Mike have pointed out, four people are going to assemble the Bill now, from many sources. Reid, Baucus, Obama and Harkin.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Common Sense Vs Corrupt Politics (4.00 / 1)
If common sense carried as much weight as it should, the final bill would include a strong public option. However, given how corrupt our politics have become, I am still very nervous.

You should be (4.00 / 2)
nervous until this is done. it can always be screwed up.

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In fact, given the last 12 years or 26 years it almost always does. (0.00 / 0)
The question now, given everything, including Obama's backtracking on FISA, we dont really know how much anything has changed. The progressive block and their pledge, is quite literally the ONLY NEW THING in Washington since WWII.

This is the watershed bill. If its good, the Democratic party stays together, stays in power and we have a hope of repairing this sick joke of economy built for the 1%,
or we don't.

It is not a suckers bet to think this might fail.

But its possible iot wont, and the enthusiasm that would creat, the motivation, the drive would be amazing, and last quite a while.

America needs a strong Public Option for more than health reasons.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Wishful thinking (4.00 / 1)
This is (mostly) whistling Dixie.

The common priority of the WH and Congressional leaderships is clearly to get a health care bill - any health care bill - passed into law this session.

But the only way of getting the same bill through both houses is to include a public option that House Progs can plausibly ballyhoo and the Nelson/Lincoln Axis can plausibly dismiss as feeble.

As Bowers has come to accept, reconciliation was a hollow threat (Harry specialises in these, I seem to remember), so passage of any bill relies on getting some Nelsons to vote for it before they vote against it to pass cloture. (Several times, probably.)

That happens, of course: as it did with a good many Bush bills and judicial appointments. But, with the GOP holding together, a full Dem turnout will be needed for each cloture vote. (Which will test Harry's cat-herding skills a tad.)

If House Progs are prepared to hold their noses to vote for a junk public option, and Obama succeeds in persuading Senate Dem mods that they must vote for cloture on the bill as a partisan necessity, whatever they do on substantive votes - that's the bill's best chance.


I hope you right on this one Mike (4.00 / 2)


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