I Heard A Rumor That The Obama Administration Hates You

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 10:28


Quick Hits was buzzing last night with rumors that President Obama had supported the trigger in a meeting with Senate Democratic leaders.  CNN:

In recent days, two administration officials have told CNN that the prevailing White House opinion is for the Senate health care bill to include a so-called "trigger" mechanism proposed by Snowe that would bring a public option in the future if thresholds for expanding coverage and lowering costs go unmet in coming years.

The source familiar with Thursday evening's meeting said Obama "pushed for a so-called trigger, because it's the more bipartisan way to go," due to Snowe's support for the concept.  A critical White House goal in passing a health care bill is the ability to call it bipartisan, so Obama officials are wary of doing anything to alienate Snowe.

Then again, CNN's anonymous "administration officials" are countered by the anonymous "Democratic aide" in the New York Times:

Mr. Reid met with President Obama at the White House Thursday to inform him of his inclination to add the public option to the bill, but did not specifically ask the president to endorse that approach, a Democratic aide said.  Mr. Obama asked questions, but did not express a preference at the meeting, a White House official said.

So, did President Obama push for the trigger, or did he not state a preference?  It probably depends on what you are inclined to believe even before you heard these anonymous sources. If you thought the White House was pushing the trigger beforehand, you will probably read this as confirmation.  If you thought it was largely staying neutral and leaving it up to Congress, you will probably read this as confirmation of that.

Personally, I am inclined to believe that the right-leaning source in the Obama administration and on Capitol Hill use these anonymous leaks try and make their positions look more popular with President Obama and the Democratic leadership than they really are.  In this case, a trigger-happy administration official wants to make it look like Obama is on his side.

Anonymous Democratic sources are far more frequently used as bludgeons against progressives than not.  For that reason, and because there is a conflicting source in this case, I am inclined not to believe that Obama was pushing triggers in the meeting.

But wait--the rumors didn't end there!  Next up, Politico claimed this morning that Speaker Pelosi had concluded she did not have the votes for Medicare +5%, based entirely on anonymous source.  And you know the source is doing this to spread the truth, rather than to attack progressives, given that the article only has one actual quote:

"Votes aren't there," a top official said. "The progressives are always more optimistic than reality."

Yep--not looking to attack progressives at all with this anonymous quote.  The story was immediately contradicted by eponymous sources from Pelosi's office (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: I Heard A Rumor That The Obama Administration Hates You
Politico's Mike Allen has a splashy story up this morning claiming, among other things, that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has concluded that she can't pass the robust public option.  But is it accurate?  Not according to Pelosi's spokesman Nadeam Elshami:

"Speculation that a final decision has been made about the public option are not accurate," Elshami tells TPMDC.  "We continue to work with all the members of the caucus to build consensus."

And, for what it is worth based on my anonymous top Democratic sources, that is what I am hearing is well.  No decision has been made.  There is a caucus meeting taking place this morning.  There is, certainly, a struggle to find the votes for the Medicare +5% public option, but the fight is not over.

Call a key member of Congress near you now.

Update: More on the Politico's air-tight and widely confirmed story this morning:

"It makes no sense that she'd count votes, come up a few short, and just call it a day," said one Democratic health care strategist. "The debate in the House is over either a national public option, available everywhere, that pays Medicare +5 rates or a national public option available everywhere that has to negotiate rates. And that's only if the horse-trading doesn't come up with votes. [Pelosi] probably only needs at most a dozen - and the horse trading could involve other issues besides health care or the public option... the idea that the compromise will be a trigger is nuts."

Secondly, the Senate itself doesn't seem inclined to go for the trigger approach either. According to several sources, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) stands just a few votes short (one or two, really) of the 60 needed to pass a public plan with an opt-out clause. The work right now is to get those remaining votes not, necessarily, to scrap the work already done in favor of pushing a trigger proposal (which, it should be noted, is the preference of the lone Republican on board -- Sen. Olympia Snowe).

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let's you and him fight (4.00 / 1)
for decades reporters have been using anonymous sources to play let's you and him fight. We need to start telling news organizations no source, no story.

If they understand they we will assume that anonymous sources are fabrications except in extraodinary cases we can put an end to let's you and him fight.


Sure (4.00 / 3)
but the confirmed story--that Obama didn't state a preference--is damning enough.  

[ Parent ]
"We need to start telling news organizations no source, no story." (0.00 / 0)
Can we exclude The New Yorker and a few other pubs from that demand, because folks like Sy Hersh know how to use anonymous sources well.  Thank you.

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So the most positive take (4.00 / 2)
is that Obama stated no preference?

All day the word is that Reid is leaning toward a (weak) PO and the he meets with Obama and the purported fierce advocate of the PO doesn't say that he prefers it to a trigger.

Why? Well, because he wants to leave the legislating up to the legislature. (Except when he doesn't, like insisting the the bill be deficit-neutral.)

Look, I don't believe that the PO is the pinnacle of progressivism, but can we please please dispense with the delusion that Obama cares a lick about it.



No (0.00 / 0)
because if he didn't care about it, he would have killed it three months ago.  

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No surprise that the loyal obamabot dtozone weighs in in favor ... (0.00 / 0)
... of the delusion that obama wants to be exposed as being against the PO.  

If obama says it, it must be true, huh?  And why is it true?  Becoz obama says it is.

U R a fool ... or bought and paid for ... one of the two.  Probably bought and paid for ...

Z


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Language completely uncalled for (4.00 / 2)
Personal attacks like that are not tolerated on Open Left. Stop it immediately.

[ Parent ]
There are personal attacks flying around here all the time ... (0.00 / 0)
... but it's not surprising the ones that you choose to pay attention to.

Z


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Bullshit (0.00 / 0)
Good strategy--throw up an unsubstantiated claim that I attacking you out of bias. Good idea.

[ Parent ]
no chris, of course you wouldn't be biased ... (0.00 / 0)
... towards the democratic establishment view.  That would be unfathomable.  Hell, U R full-on backing a new democrat in sestak.  And granted he'll probably be better than specter, but do his positions warrant a full-on press for his candidacy from a vowed progressive?  F', you're probably still glowing over bill clinton knowing your first name and reading your article regarding the nuclear test ... and clinton has been one of the biggest enemies to the progressive movement in the democratic party.  And Y be sheepish around a sell-out like clinton who essentially is the enemy of most of what you purport to stand for?  U think he didn't remember your first name to charm U?  Good God, how many times has he played that game?      

U R more good than bad ... much more ... but U got your biases and those biases are towards the democratic party.  To some extent ... not a huge one ... you've been coopted IMO.

And I know U don't have the time to monitor the whole board ... becoz U R involved in more important things such as trying to whip up the house ... but dtozone was just on quick hits yesterday accusing someone of having ulterior motives.  And I honestly believe that he is a bought and paid for tool for the administration.  That oughtn't be unfathomable ...

Z


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And that bias shows up in how you jumped the gun ... (0.00 / 0)
... and called for a victory lap yesterday for the house on their health care bill with the PO with the 5% like it was a done deal.  U were wrong, most likely becoz U were too anxious to believe the best about your party.  I hope U learned something from that ...

Z  


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Let's all freak out! (4.00 / 1)
Cause freaking is fun. Here's some more. The narrative went of the rails for the anti-public-option folks yesterday, so they decided to stir up some confusion and distraction with anonymous leaks, hoping to get the CW running back in their direction.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

Either that, or.. (0.00 / 0)
to translate:

 ... the narrative went of the rails for the public-option folks yesterday, so they decided to stir up some confusion and distraction....

Looks to me like all sides are playing the "manufacturing consent" game.

Of course, since I'm a single payer advocate, and both sides hate single payer, I don't really care a great deal about games insiders play...  

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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the public option campaign was started by single-payer advocates (4.00 / 1)
The public option campaign was started when the single-payer advocates in Congress voted back in March to make it their line in the sand.

So yeah. Both sides hate single-payer. What the fuck ever. Keep thinking whatever you need to believe in order to feel persecuted and superior.


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Please stop conflating legislators... (0.00 / 0)
... with activists or advocates. I know from the Beltway perspective that's easy to do, but to this "little single payer advocate" out in the grass roots, the two look very, very different.

* * *

It's a shame about your descent to the personal -- and your psychologizing.* I do understand how advocating a demonstrably inferior policy position that won't save lives or money can stress even the best people out, but... Really!

NOTE * The psychologizing is even more ironic, coming from somebody who can, without irony, write a headline like " __ hates you."

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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So public option activists hate sinlge-payer activists then? (0.00 / 0)
So, if I am reading you right, you are arguing that all public option activists hate all single-payer activists?

Is that what you are saying?


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I shouldn't have said "hate" (0.00 / 0)
I was riffing off your headline.

But deride?

Insult?

Exclude?

Censor?

Ignore?

(Yes, I know some of these are politicians, just like those in the "progressive" caucus in your examples.)

I mean, if you want to defend your editorial choices and make the argument that "progressive" blogs gave single payer -- again, the ONLY policy option that can be shown, by evidence, to save both lives and money -- all the oxygen they gave [a|the] [strong|robust] [Federalist?] public [[health? [insurance]]? [option|plan] go ahead, but I think you'll find that a hard case to make.

* * *

Oh, and fix "eponymous," wouldja? Just because a single advocate suggested something doesn't make it wrong. Kidding!

* * *

Anyhow, gotta go. RL calls. And surely you have more important things to so...



I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
So you are mad because (4.00 / 1)
So now this is about my editorial choices? I don't know how that came up, but if you want to shift topics, sure.

First, I would like to know what you are asking for. Which progressive blogs should have dedicated more time to single payer, and how much more time do you think they should have dedicated?

If you would let me know, even just a ballpark estimate, then I can see if we actually disagree or not.

In order to actually argue with you, it would be a great help to me if you let me know what you are actually arguing for at any given time.


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I don't think Lambert's asking for anything (4.00 / 1)
I think he's mad that you told him that he had no power over you.  He's likely a bit miffed that John Emerson called him a "fake."

But he does have the power to disrupt Open Left, and turn it into a food-fight blog.


[ Parent ]
It's been 3 1/2 hours... (0.00 / 0)
...can we apply the ***crickets***? Someone consult the PB 2.0 rulebook.

[ Parent ]
More public option supporters hating on single-payer (4.00 / 1)
From the letter that started it all:

Dear Madam Speaker and Majority Leader,

Regarding the upcoming health care reform debate, we believe it is important for you to know that virtually the entire 77-Member Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) prefers a single-payer approach to healthcare reform.  Therefore, it will come as no surprise as you work to craft comprehensive health care reform legislation, that we urge the inclusion of a public plan option, at a minimum, in the final legislation.  We have polled CPC Members and a strong majority will not support legislation that does not include a public plan option that is supported on a level playing field with private health insurance plans.

We look forward to working with you to ensure inclusion of a public plan option and the successful passage of healthcare legislation that will provide a choice of  quality healthcare for all Americans

Sincerely,
Lynn Woolsey, Co-Chair, Congressional Progressive Caucus
Raul Grijalva, Co-Chair, Congressional Progressive Caucus

Goddamn--public option advocates really, really fucking hate single-payer advocates. So much loathing.


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Once again... (4.00 / 1)
... please stop conflating legislators with activists and advocates.

Giving your point the most charitable interpretation, it's analytically impoverished. Perhaps that accounts for your difficulties with selling [a|the] [strong|robust] [Federalist?] [health]? insurance]]? [option|plan] strategery in the first place?

What on earth do I care for the so-called "Progressive" caucus if they can't bring themselves to advocate for the only policy on offer that can be shown to save both lives and money? And what to figure out the politics of getting anything other than an  insurance company bailout accomplished? Sure, pom poms, tribalism, yadda yadda yadda, and all over semantics....  

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Pelosi has a staffer named "Sources?" Cool! (4.00 / 1)
Bowers writes:

The story was immediately contradicted by eponymous sources from Pelosi's office...


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

It's a cool name (4.00 / 1)
[reporter]Mr. Sources, Mr. Sources, do you have a comment?
[Mr. Sources]Please, call me Eponymous.  As for comment?  I have none.  Please ask my brother Anonymous.

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Hi, I'm Anoymous. And this is my other brother... (0.00 / 0)
Pseudonymous.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
Yep (0.00 / 0)
Unfunny like most of the other SNL skits.

[ Parent ]
here's a good quote from that article (0.00 / 0)

"It makes no sense that she'd count votes, come up a few short, and just call it a day," said one Democratic health care strategist. "The debate in the House is over either a national public option, available everywhere, that pays Medicare +5 rates or a national public option available everywhere that has to negotiate rates. And that's only if the horse-trading doesn't come up with votes. [Pelosi] probably only needs at most a dozen - and the horse trading could involve other issues besides health care or the public option... the idea that the compromise will be a trigger is nuts."


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No, not "available everywhere'..... (0.00 / 0)
unless they've removed the language that says that you can't enter the health exchanges if you already have health insurance from your employer (even if you don't like it). But Wal-Mart wouldn't like that, so I can't imagine that's happening.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
*** crickets *** (0.00 / 0)
On, ya know, actual policy and enrollment. Endless amounts of energy involved in psychologizing and the mutual checking of tribal tatoos. Yay!

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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First of all (0.00 / 0)
Pelosi doesn't count votes, Jim Clyburn does. So whoever this source is needs a lesson in how party leadership works. I think Politico is making shit up again.  

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Thanks for the does of sanity Chris (4.00 / 1)
We are getting close.

Opponents are going to start getting shrill.


Chris (0.00 / 0)
couple of typos:

Title: head = heard?
Text: "But wait--the rumors didn't end there!  Next up, Politico claimed this morning that Speaker Pelosi had  concluded she did not have the votes for Medicare +5%,"
(Pretty sure you meant to put the word "not" in there)

Feel free to delete this comment.  Just wanted to make sure someone didn't cut and paste your text and create even more confusion about whether Pelosi has the votes or not, etc.


And "eponymous"? (0.00 / 0)
Just asking....  

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
Valerie Jarrett confirmed (0.00 / 0)
this morning, no push for triggers, committment to public option...didn't specificy which though.  

That proves it (0.00 / 0)
If an obama hack says it is true, it must be.  Of course, members of the obama administration also denied that they had a deal with phrma until billy "bling" tauzin called their asses out and made them admit it.

If obama was truly for a public option, he could push that right now ... this would be the perfect time for him to weigh in ... but instead he dithers as if he still can't make up his mind and defends the baucus debacle which was the only one to come out of any of the committees with no PO.

He doesn't want to do it.  He was and still is the biggest barrier to a PO despite his and his minions' words on the public record to the contrary.  He used the finance committee as his proxy to try kill it.  

It's up to us to try to force a bill to his desk that has a PO in it.  And then make it politically unpalatable for him to veto it, which I doubt he has the guts to do.

Z


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Nice rant (0.00 / 0)
Pity you don't have any facts to back it up.

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Jarrett on MSNBC (4.00 / 1)

I've said it elsewhere: Jarrett is closer to the president than pretty much anybody. I have a hard time reading the repeated use of words like "committed" and "push for" as "indifferent" or "opposed". And I have a really, really hard time taking the words of anonymous cowards over those who put their name on their quotes.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!







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