Bad News.... (4.00 / 1)

Negotiated rates AND opt-out:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

Not a very good negotiating position at all...  

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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by: lord_mike @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:29:24 PM CDT

A diarist at Kos just posted (0.00 / 0)

a diary that AP reporting NO Medicare + 5%

John McCain won't insure children

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by: magster @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:39:01 PM CDT

same sourse as lord_mike's link above (0.00 / 0)

i hope this is just a bullshit ap article

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by: bennytoothpick @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:42:34 PM CDT

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Even worse is the house has opt-out language (4.00 / 1)

this thing is backsliding into a trigger or opt-in.

John McCain won't insure children

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by: magster @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:45:01 PM CDT

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Ed Schultz says on the radio that his sources confirm it. n/t (0.00 / 0)

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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by: lord_mike @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:45:15 PM CDT

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how does this work? (0.00 / 0)

Whatever bill the House reports out is going to get further compromised in the House/Senate conference committee, right?  Isn't that a good argument for including the strongest possible public option, so you have some negotiating leeway?  Or do I misunderstand the process?

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by: global yokel @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:45:22 PM CDT

Well, here's the theory that was reported earlier... (0.00 / 0)

...Assuming that Reid can pull of the opt-in in the Senate, the two public plans would be essentially identical allowing the negotiators to leave that be and work on other issues of contention.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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by: lord_mike @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:48:48 PM CDT

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well, if the house is going to capitulate on the PO (0.00 / 0)

then we'd better get something from the Senate (i.e. increased subsidies, real employer mandate, etc.).

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by: bennytoothpick @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:53:38 PM CDT

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that is a very bad deal (4.00 / 1)

if true.

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by: desmoinesdem @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:54:23 PM CDT

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It was reported last week in thehill.com n/t (0.00 / 0)

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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by: lord_mike @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:58:13 PM CDT

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I meant opt-out... sorry... (0.00 / 0)

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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by: lord_mike @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:57:30 PM CDT

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the thing is.. (0.00 / 0)

the more right-wing Democrats resent being forced to vote for something that everyone knows won't be in the bill anyway.  There was a lot of unhappiness after they voted for the controversial cap-n-trade bill and then the Senate did nothing.

Now, we might say public option is popular, etc. etc. but that's how they feel.


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by: Hopeful in NJ @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 16:41:42 PM CDT

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Well to some (0.00 / 0)

the public option isn't the issue.

Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania support a robust public option, but he opposes the taxes in the bill.

Bart Stupak of Michigan has no issues with the public option, but funding abortion forces him to vote no.

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by: DTOzone @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 17:01:47 PM CDT

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Thanks for your hard work. (4.00 / 1)

I have to say I do believe the leaked Whip Count is reliable. My Rep Lorreta Sanchez (CA-47) has some serious explaining to do after she publicly pledged to vote for the robust public option in HuffPo.

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by: bmull @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 13:55:35 PM CDT

She still was a yes (0.00 / 0)

Chris said yesterday she was a lean yes.  

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by: DTOzone @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 14:59:44 PM CDT

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whither the Block? (4.00 / 1)

at what point does this become unacceptable?

my guess is that since Pelosi won't bring out a bill that can't pass, she must already have committments to vote for it from the Progressive Caucus folks.

which, for a negotiated-rate, opt-out/opt-in/sorry-die, insurance company bonanza of a bill, well.  

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

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by: tatere @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 14:02:34 PM CDT

Chris: "Trick or Treat or SINGLE PAYER" - put your kids to work on Halloween (0.00 / 0)

I just posted a funky idea for using kids on Halloween to help get single payer.
Your comments on whether kids passing out flyers re the current healthcare legislation, on Halloween, would be in time to help affect the process, is requested.

PS: If your kids complain, you can remind them that times are hard, and dentists cost money. (You don't have to tell them that candy = dentists, since they already know that. :-) )

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by: metamars @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 14:09:56 PM CDT

I see the bill is strengthened at every iteration (0.00 / 0)

next phase: amendment strengthening

an amendment stripping out what's left of the public option will strengthen the bill more

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by: The Big Hurt @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 14:27:31 PM CDT