Trying To Figure Out Iowa

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 19:30


The following chart shows key numbers for the 2004 Iowa caucuses. The three rows at the bottom are all five-poll averages.

2004 January Iowa Polling
Poll Kerry Edwards Dean Gephardt
Final Results, 1/19 37.1% 32.6% 17.4% 11.2%
Entrance Poll, 1/19 35% 26% 20% 11%
Certain Voters, 1/18 26.8% 20.2% 23.6% 17.8%
All Voters, 1/18 26.4% 22.2% 22.4% 18.2%
All Voters, 1/10 17.4% 11.8% 27.2% 22.0%

With polls currently showing three different leaders in Iowa based on which factors one looks at--previous caucus goers, most certain caucus goers, caucus goers who have definitely made up their minds--I produced this chart to help determine which factors are the most important ones. Here are my thoughts:
  • Four years ago, Dean held an advantage among the most certain caucus goers. Over the final five polls before the caucus, he was tied with Edwards among all voters, but three points ahead among the most certain caucus goers. Given that Dean’s Entrance poll numbers, 20%, were closer to his numbers among all voters, 22%, than his numbers among the most certain voters, 24%, it does not seem to me that an advantage among the most certain caucus goers should be taken all that seriously. Gephardt’s 7% collapse alone cannot explain the 8% increase for Kerry from the final polls to the entrance poll, nor can it explain the 5% increase Edwards had from the final polls to the entrance poll. The fact is that the entrance poll in Iowa was closer to the final five-poll average among “all voters” than it was among “the most certain voters.” That isn’t very good news for Edwards since he consistently does better among the most certain caucuses than he does among all caucus goers.

  • Gephardt received 11% in the entrance poll, and 11.2% in the final result. This number seems quite important to me, since many people seem to be assuming that candidates at under 15% in Iowa polls, mainly Biden (currently at 5%) and Richardson (currently at 8%), will see most of their support dissipate in the actual caucus when they are unable to reach viability. There doesn’t seem to be any guarantee of that at all. A candidate can clearly come in at less than 15% statewide, and still hit their projected number even with Iowa’s wacky viability system. There is no reason to write off the support of candidates close to 10%, but below 15%, as certain to flow to other candidates. This somewhat reduces the importance of the second place vote, or at least of the Richardson second place vote, another area where Edwards has consistently led.

  • Clearly, the second place vote still had a big impact, if one looks at the differences from the entrance poll to the final results. Edwards went up 6-7%, Kerry went up 2%, and Dean went down 3%. Given these shifts, it seems pretty clear to me that leading among second-place choices means more than the supposed organizational advantage of “most certain voters.”

  • A lot of voters clearly made up their minds very late, given the huge pro-Edwards and Kerry surges over the final week. There was even a large gap between the final polls which, on average, concluded on January 16th, and the entrance poll, conducted on January 19th, three days later. This makes me think that the trendline is extremely important (good for Obama), and the results among those who have supposedly already made up their minds isn’t very important (bad for Clinton).

  • Although it is not reflected in this table, Pollster.com has been blogging about the possibility that entrance polls exaggerate the number of younger, first-time caucus goers. Such a skew, if accurate, would be bad for Obama, since Clinton and Edwards (especially Edwards) do much better among older voters than he does. This would make the “attended a previous caucus,” to be a key number to look out for in polling. Rasmussen shows a large, anti-Obama swing among such voters, as Obama slips to 22% (from 25%) and third place (from second place) among previous caucus goers. Edwards moved from third to first.
So, in short, here is how I would rank the importance of the various factors in Iowa polling:
  1. Trend, which currently favors Obama and is not so great for Clinton. This matters a great deal, and could account for more than a 10% swing.
  2. Second place choice, which currently favors Edwards and is not so great for Clinton. This could account for a 5% swing.
  3. Previous caucus attendance, which currently favors Edwards and is not so great for Obama. This could account for a 2-3% swing.
The factors that don’t seem to matter much at all are caucus goers who have supposedly made up their minds, which currently favors Clinton, and organizational, “most certain to vote” strength, which currently favors Edwards. All told, it would be my guess that Edwards and Clinton are roughly tied in Iowa right now, with Obama a little bit out in front. I don’t know if yesterday’s events will change any of this, but I do know that polling Iowa is extremely difficult. This should all be considered guess work. The huge shifts we saw in Iowa back in 2004 from one week out to a couple days out, from a couple days out to the entrance poll, and from the entrance poll to the final results show just how difficult to track all of this actually is. Dean went from a 15% advantage over Edwards to a 15% deficit, and Gepahrdt went from a 5% advantage on Kerry to a 26% deficit. Since the January 3rd caucus date will even leave us without the benefit of much polling during the two weeks before the caucus, 2008 might be even harder to figure out than 2004.
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We might (0.00 / 0)
start seeing Hillary's camp down play the Iowa caucus if these trends continue in order to save a NH victory.

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Appeal to NH chauvinism (0.00 / 0)
From 1952 through 1972, NH was the leadoff gig (nobody paid much attention to Iowa in 1972).  Jimmy Carter used a "win" in Iowa to propel his campaign and Iowa soon became the premiere event for Democrats but NH retained a strong influence on Republican nominations, saving Reagan (1980), Bush I (1988) and Dole (1996).  That appears to have been shattered by the double dip of Iowa in 2000 (straw poll, caucus).  My brother (unfortunately Republican and exposed to Rush and Fox) says "NH is too liberal."  What?  The tax cutters?

It is within the self interest of NH residents to vote against the Iowa winner.  They haven't done it on the Democratic side but NH is clearly a secondary show at this point and ot is all Iowa all the time despite the relatively small voter turnout in Iowa and huge turnout in NH.

At some point, somebody will go beyond skipping Iowa (like McCain in 2000) to appealing to NH voters to save their heritage by voting independently against the Iowa winners.  The media conveniently ignored Iowa Dems in 1992 and mostly ignored this year's straw poll (which would have killed Rudy and crowned Romney if covered in 2000 style).  They are capable of anything.  NH's 400,000 voters matter little, get a fraction of the attention and money of Iowa's 250,000. 

Hillary, if she goes this route, would need to pull out of Iowa as soon as possible and campaign only in NH,24/7.  Voting against Iowa would be a "smart move" as Iowa is pretty much the entire game among Democrats.  Only Gephardt in 1988 failed to follow with the nomination and that was because he had practically no organization or money to capitalize on his victory.

Hillary's problem is that the bigfoot reporters from national TV and major papers clerarly hate her and love playing gotcha with her rather than actually covering the campaign.  See Howard Kurtz's article in the November 30 WaPo for details.  Interesting dynamic here as these are the gtoup that killed Gore and Kerry.  They have tended in the past to be women in their late 20s or early 30s putting in enormous hours and resenting it like crazy.  Free food, over catering of attention, easy jokes, etc count big time with them.  They also were susceptible the pull of the rich and those backing the rich.  Young, over worked, over paid, over ambitious.  God, if John Kerry had done the wedding planning for the NY Times reporter (who hated him cause her job interrupted the task) he'd be President now.

The more likely route is for Hillary to attack Obama and to get personal, finding character flaws in his plans,etc.  The most likely path though is that she will fold up her tents in the hope that February 5 really matters and find out that she is finished as a national player for ever becoming an important fixture in the Senate a la Ted Kennedy.

The Republican slime machine has been working on Obama for months.  By January 9 it will be out in the open and we will see 10 months of the crap.  All lies but try to counteract it.  The people willing to listen to these lies don't respond to the truth.  If Obama's name was Barry Jones a lot of the crap would be harder to do but the people who listen don't care about the facts.  It's all anti-Moslem, anti-immigrant, anti-terror.  Anti-fact, too.


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All of the campaigns will try to dampen expectations (0.00 / 0)
But there is no escape for Clinton from Iowa.  As recently as a week ago she was opening up new offices there. 

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Agreed. There is no escape now. (0.00 / 0)
The best strategy, if the Clinton campaign comes to the conclusion they can't win Iowa, would be to bloody Obama and throw it to Edwards.

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Difference on the under 15% factor this time? (0.00 / 0)
What kind of effect do you think that having more viable candidates than there were in 2004? Won't that make it harder to reach the 15% threshhold, and could there be more movement this year of votes of lowere candidates?

2nd choice clarification (0.00 / 0)
I think there is confusion about second choice.

When pollsters ask for second choice it informs a campaign on leaners (who might switch from their first choice to their second choice at the last minute).  Edwards has the greatest number of seconds in Iowa.

But in the caucus the decisions are more strategic--directed by the campaigns and personal preferences are more or less irrelevant. Obama is the likely winner of the strategic second place.  Lux explains better in his post.


In 2003 I found myself following (0.00 / 0)
a dKos poster named Al Giordano. Months out he was calling it  for Kerry. Unfortunately the earliest post of his I can find before Iowa is a Jan 16 one. So I reread his analysis for what then was being called the Kerry surge. What was Kerry's "secret" weapon that propelled him past Dean that Al knew ahead of time existed. My memory seemed to say it was that he got the Gephardt organization into his camp. But in the Jan 16 analysis I link to above my memory was denied.

Indeed, I brushed off the answer that rereading was offering me. But If I read it right then the sleeper candidate of 2008 will be (wait for it):

Hillary Clinton!

Wait, that can't be. She's been the leader not the sleeper. Yes, that is unless she blows the others out of the water on Jan 8. For the record Hillary is my least favorite candidate. It positively pains me to be left with that conclusion. Here's what Al said then that leads me to say Hillary will be the sleeper candidate: (emphasis mine)

I reply:

Believe it or not, I see your resistance to my thesis as an inadvertent proof of it. Didn't I just say that Kerry has lulled the competitor's to sleep, to a state of underestimating his organization? I forgot to mention the firefighters unions, I think you underestimate the vets, and I think you very much underestimate the Democratic activists who historically do much more than fifty percent of the work in campaigns: women.

And this (emphasis his):

  Grassy Troll asks:

What the hell has Kerry done to get a 5 point lead in Iowa?

Good question. Here are a few factors:

1. He Turned His Campaign Over to Strong Women: For most of last year, the Kerry campaign was top heavy in consultants, some of whom are brilliant guys but who don't get into the trenches and implement their brainy ideas. When Kerry fired his campaign manager, he brought on Mary Beth Cahill, a clear-headed, no-nonsense, general who is defined by her willingness to do the work and make sure everyone else does theirs. He named Jeannie Shaheen his national campaign chair and gave her (and her significant machine) a freer hand to lay the groundwork in New Hampshire. The chemistry between the candidate and the chairwoman is visible. You can see the same chemistry between Kerry and Christie Vilsack. You can also see it with Teresa Heinz Kerry. This is related to the next reason...

2. There's a Gender Gap Within the Party: Look at the numbers. Dean and Gephardt in Iowa, Dean and Clark in New Hampshire, are battling it out for a male vote, while Kerry is mopping the floor with the women's vote. He's a candidate who clearly likes strong women, and a large degree of his hazing over the past year has been in the context of a male-dominated press corps and a male-dominated Internet political planet. If the boys are scratching their heads, now, saying "how did this happen?", well, that's just another sign that boys don't pay enough attention to what the gals are thinking when it comes to politics.

...


And it goes on with his other reasons. But,of course, that assumes that Hillary is not overly sexist herself. Yes, women can be sexist just as society inculcates black racism into blacks themselves etc. I'll leave that line of possibility to those who have a better handle on Hillary's style and current organization.

OpenLeft is very good at what it does. But still it is basically a guy shop. Not being sufficiently attuned to the importance of and the current efforts of women in the Iowa caucus could well be a blind spot here!

Here's the diary that contains several Giordano comments:
http://www.dailykos....
The diary's not by him so do a page search for his name.

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here's another one (0.00 / 0)
http://www.dailykos....

(Here he is discussing Gephardt and Kerry havingmore chance aganist Dean than kos creits -- there's no mention of Edwards.)

One, in which the vote-counters at Gephardt's campaign are confronted with a bleak scenario and certain defeat, and the bottom instantly falls out because Gep has to win Iowa to be in this race at all. At that point some of the unions start to bolt.

Two, don't underestimate the sophistication of traditional caucus players: they're capable of spreading the word like this: "look, folks, the Kerry people over in precinct 2 are willing to go to Gephardt if we Gephardt people, here in precinct 3, go with Kerry." That doesn't take very long to negotiate.

Theoretically, the Dean people can play this way, too, but the obstacles are greater. The Dean base is not made of seasoned caucus attendees who are used to this kind of play. If a caucus goes late into the night, which folks are going to stick it out? The veteran caucus goers? Or the newcomers?

very interesting to look at the old comments. 

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most of Gephardt's supporters went to Edwards (0.00 / 0)
where Gephardt was not viable. They didn't cut a deal ahead of time, but that's what happened almost across the board.

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My own Iowa prediection (0.00 / 0)
made the day before the Iowa Caucues:

Dean's attack on Kerry's comment on the Ag department will backfire. Sorry Kos, sometime this stuff has an impact, but often not the one intended. Turnout will be very high, benefitting both Kerry and Edwards The anti-war vote, to my great surprise, will have been shown to be less important than thought

Kerry 30 Edwards 26 Dean 24 Geppy 20

http://www.dailykos....

This is a summary of the race I posted on January 15th, the Friday before Iowa:
http://www.dailykos....


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I am impressed (0.00 / 0)
And who could have predicted the scream....

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Great analysis (0.00 / 0)
If I had to guess, Obama has a very slight advantage in Iowa. 

There is a lifetime left in Iowa. Campaigns matter, and the nomination may very well turn on a mistake in a debate, a minor gaffe or some external event.

But from the beginning my read on this race has been that Clinton is essentially an incumbent, and her support is unlikely to grow beyond her current level.  Clinton's numbers in Iowa are TERRIBLE for a front runner.  The New Hampshire numbers are also weakening rapidly.


Past caucus attendees (4.00 / 2)
Past caucus attendees may be more significant in 2008. After all, voters in 2004 could look back on 2000 (where Bradley focused on NH and attendance wasn't huge,) 1996 (where Clinton was unopposed) and 1992 (where everybody abandoned it to Harkin). So it was 16 years since the last campaign where the candidates competed whole-heartedly for Iowa.

That would lead to a lot more participation in 2004 than in previous years, so a lot more first-time attendees. Thus previous attendance at caucuses (and as a possible corollary greater certainty about participation) may be more influential than you theorise.

Then again, I may just be constructing this position because neck-and-neck-and-neck three-way races to the finish are fun.

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This is a widely missed point (0.00 / 0)
In 2004, there was only one contested Iowa caucus in 16 years, and even that was hadly a cliff hanger (Gore had a large lead over Bradley.)



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