Clinton Rising In The General Election, Too

by: Chris Bowers

Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 15:09


Hillary Clinton’s increasing Democratic primary advantage in states like New Hampshire and Iowa can also be seen in her remarkable turnaround in general election matchups. Looking only at how Obama and Clinton, the two Democratic candidates who have opted out of public financing, fare against Rudy Giuliani (Clinton data here, Obama data here), check out how Clinton moves from performing significantly worse, to performing the same, to performing better over the past eight months:

Clinton and Obama vs. Giuliani, Non-Rasmussen polls
Note: ”Advantage” shows the relative advantage of Clinton or Obama in matchups against Giuliani
Poll Date Clinton Obama CAdvantage
NPR Oct 07 47-44 44-44 Clinton +3
FOX Sep 26 46-39 41-40 Clinton +6
CNN Sep 09 50-46 45-49 Clinton +8
Q-poll Aug 13 46-43 42-42 Clinton +3
NBC / WSJ Jul 30 47-41 45-40 Clinton +1
Fox Jul 18 46-41 45-41 Clinton +1
Battleground Jul 18 44-50 53-43 Obama +15
Gallup Jul 15 46-49 45-49 Clinton +1
Zogby Jul 14 46-41 46-42 Clinton +1
CNN Jun 24 49-48 46-48 Clinton +3
Cook Jun 23 45-44 42-41 Even
Newsweek Jun 21 51-44 49-44 Clinton +2
Cook Jun 17 42-42 41-41 Even
Gallup Jun 14 50-46 50-45 Obama +1
Q-poll Jun 11 45-44 42-42 Clinton +1
LA Times Jun 10 39-49 46-41 Obama +15
Zogby May 20 43-48 48-42 Obama +11
Hotline May 20 43-45 43-41 Obama +4
Newsweek May 03 49-46 50-43 Obama +4
Marist May 01 48-43 41-43 Clinton +7
Q-poll May 01 40-49 41-44 Obama +6
Hotline Apr 30 43-47 48-39 Obama +13
LA Times Apr 09 42-48 46-42 Obama +10
Time Apr 09 43-48 45-45 Obama +5
Fox Mar 28 44-45 43-43 Obama +1
Time Mar 26 41-50 44-45 Obama +8

Note: Only polls that collected data on Clinton vs. Giuliani and Obama vs. Giuliani in the same survey are included, as those are the only apples to apples comparisons possible.

In nine of the ten oldest polls in this chart, from March 26th through June 10th, Obama held a general election advantage over Clinton. At that time, the Marist poll showing Clinton with an advantage was clearly an outlier. However, over the next fifteen polls, from June 11th through today, Clinton held the advantage in twelve polls, two were tied, and the GW Battleground poll weighed in with a clear outlier. (As they say, one out of every twenty polls is way off, and so the presence of two outliers in this chart is not anomalous.)

At a quick glance, I am seeing three periods in this chart, the first showing Obama with about a six-point edge (late March through early June), the second showing a virtual tie (mid-June through early August), and the third period showing Clinton with a modest advantage of about four points (mid-August through today). Overall, Clinton has improved her performance against Giuliani relative to Obama by about ten points over the last seven months. It is entirely possible that will reverse itself at some point, since the five months of general election polling before this chart, Clinton actually started with the advantage in November 2006, but Obama caught up and passed her over the next five months. Then again, it is possible that Obama’s rise from comparative obscurity meant that his favorable ratings hit an all-time peak around March and April of 2006 during his “rockstar” media coverage phase, and now they have inevitably fallen a bit. That, combined with slowing lowering opinions of Giuliani and slowly improving opinions of Clinton, could also produce the trends we see here.

Information comparing Clinton and Obama to Mitt Romney is extremely rare, as there has only been one survey that asked both questions in the same survey the last three months (see here and here). Obama performed four points better in that poll, but it is only one data point and both Democrats crushed Romney (Clinton +13 and Obama +17). When it comes to Clinton and Obama versus Fred Thompson, the last five apples to apples polls shows the two performing identically against Thompson. Those five polls, taken from August 7th until today, show Clinton with an average lead of 10.8%, and Obama with an average lead of 10.6%. That has also changed over time, as Obama once held a noticeable edge:

Clinton and Obama vs. Thompson, Non-Rasmussen polls
Note: ”Advantage” shows the relative advantage of Clinton or Obama in matchups against Thompson
Poll Date Clinton Obama Advantage
NPR Oct 07 50-42 48-39 Obama +1
FOX Sep 26 48-35 45-33 Clinton +1
NBC Sep 10 50-41 47-38 Even
CNN Sep 09 55-42 53-41 Clinton +1
Q-poll Aug 13 49-38 46-35 Even
Fox Jul 18 47-38 48-32 Obama +7
Battleground Jul 18 47-45 56-33 Obama +21
Gallup Jul 15 48-45 51-40 Obama +8
Zogby Jul 14 47-41 48-40 Obama +2
CNN Jun 24 50-46 52-40 Obama +8
Cook Jun 23 45-40 46-35 Obama +6
Newsweek Jun 21 53-42 53-39 Obama +3
Cook Jun 17 42-42 46-33 Obama +13
Q-poll Jun 11 46-39 46-34 Obama +5
Fox Jun 06 48-38 47-34 Obama +3
Zogby May 20 48-41 52-35 Obama +10
Q-poll May 01 46-39 47-34 Obama +6

Again, a consistent Obama advantage dissipated, and now the two leading Democrats perform identically against Fred Thompson in general election matchups. As with the Giuliani numbers, this suggests that Clinton is rising both against other Democrats and against all Republicans. Clearly, she is running a very strong campaign, but there is not guarantee this trend will continue indefinitely.
Chris Bowers :: Clinton Rising In The General Election, Too

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Good analysis, but these polls are mostly useless (0.00 / 0)
In 2008, more than in past years, turnout will be very difficult to predict with traditional polling methods, and the turnout models produced by pollsters will be scientific wild-ass guesses which produce polling data only slightly more informative than your own, or my own scientific wild-ass guesses.

The Republican base will be demoralized, and possibly split. The Democratic base will be energized, and, depending on the nominee, will be energized to varying degrees and aamong very different swaths of the electorate.

Polling data judges persuasion, but persuasion doesn't mean anything on the couch.

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Clinton could easily lose in Nov. 08 (0.00 / 0)
I agree - plus we have 50 elections not one national election.  As we painfully saw in 2000, it does no good to win the national popular vote. 

Clinton's nationwide poll numbers obscure a serious danger for Democrats if she is the nominee.  Clinton has high negatives and is weak in toss up and Red states.  Just look at the results in Nevada:

"Sen. Hillary Clinton would lose the general election against Rudy Guiliani (44-51), Fred Thompson (44-50), and even Mitt Romney (43-49)."
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As a very non-scientific response.... (0.00 / 0)
....bleah...just bleah!

That's what goes through my mind when I contemplate The Hill as POTUS.

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Another non-scientific response. (0.00 / 0)
I'm excited about Hillary as POTUS.

Non-scientifically, we need to forget about these Thompson and Romney illusions.  It's Rudy for the Repubs.  I said months ago that all that abortion gay gun control stuff won't block Rudy's nom.  People who thought it would had never seen this SOB.  Gun nuts vote against Rudy?  No way.  We're facing a charismatic Nixon who would win NY/NJ easily against anyone but Hil.  Rudy is a deviant master of race politics who is already campaigning against Hil and ignoring Obama--I view the poll trends in that light.

Some people don't get the Rudy thing because, frankly, they are too highly evolved to recognize his appeal.  He can eclipse Bush, which is the Repubs' only hope.


no, the Kerik trial (0.00 / 0)
will seriously damage Rudy even with the moderate Republicans.

Some fundies may be overlooking his record now, but they won't continue to do that once opponents start running ads about pro-choice, gay-friendly Rudy.

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Can you please explain (0.00 / 0)
Why you left out Edwards when he polls better than either Clinton or Obama against the GOP?

So, looking at head-to-heads with Edwards is now passe? (0.00 / 0)
Just curious - why?

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