Asking Pelosi About Al Wynn

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 13:13


I just got back from a fancy NYC fundraiser headlined by Nancy Pelosi for Kirsten Gillibrand to which I snagged a ticket.  I wanted to ask Pelosi about Al Wynn, and I managed to get a response, though not a nice one.

The fundraiser was set on the 36th floor of a high rise in midtown overlooking a beautiful cityscape, and there were speeches by a number of Democrats thanking other Democrats and their various hosts.  The gathering was full of New York finance and media types, people that are vaguely aware something is wrong but recognize the constraints of Congress, and want to make sure that Democrats stay in control.  I sat next to a tall and regal older retired investment banker who says he gives money sometimes but 'isn't very political', is frustrated at the war, and thinks Bernanke's rate cut was smart.  Before that conversation, I had talked to a beautiful and intelligent woman who works for the Oxygen network.  An avid Obama supporter, she described herself as a moderate Democrat and hinted at some mild frustration that online quizzes told her she was actually liberal because she doesn't like liberal elites.  It was that kind of scene.

Pelosi spoke in her usual nice but vaguely incoherent style, and she listed a litany of accomplishments of the new Democratic Congress, as well as promises to do things she can't possibly get done, like passing a good energy bill.  She capped her talk with a strange apology/non-apology for not being able to do anything on the war, and promised to impose a timeline.  Ironically, during the standing ovation, I got an email on my blackberry saying that $200B was going to be appropriated to Bush to continue the war in Iraq.

I got the sense that it was a well-heeled New York community of fundraising circuit people who likw Democrats and like these fundraisers, and there were lots of 'thank you's and standing ovations and appreciation.  Pelosi was there, as was Carol Shea-Porter, Betty Sutton, Charlie Rangel, Richard Holbrooke, Geraldine Ferraro, Allyson Schwartz, and Kirsten Gillibrand, who was the host of the event.

I went up to Pelosi after her odd speech to ask her in person about her support for Al Wynn.  I said 'I helped organize a fundraiser for Donna Edwards', and I was about to talk about retroactive immunity and ask her to take this as a sign of frustration, as well as to tell her how proud she makes me as the first female Speaker of the House.  But the moment I mentioned Al Wynn, Pelosi's whole face abruptly changed, her smile melted away, and she got hostile and said in an icy voice 'I know about that.'  She then turned away to talk to someone else.  That's happened to me only one other time in politics, when I said to Jerry McNerney that I was a blogger.

I also managed to chat with Kirsten Gillibrand.  Gillibrand's a very smart and very lovely person, and she's aware that activists in her district are frustrated.  And she's frustrated too in her own way, and explained that change is much slower than she'd like.  And yet, I get the sense that there's very little that she can do about it, and that even if there were something she could do it's not clear that she would.

And I think I realized then that there seem to be two types of frustration, insider frustration and activist frustration.  Many of the Democrats in Congress, Pelosi for instance, are insider frustrated.  They know something is vaguely wrong somewhere, they know their activists supporters are unhappy, they are still raising lots of money, they know they are in power and feted at fancy breakfasts, and they are unwilling to consider new strategies that actually challenge the constraints they see as permanent. 

And when someone else does, they get mean, their face turns cold, and they walk away.

Matt Stoller :: Asking Pelosi About Al Wynn

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Pelosi (0.00 / 0)
The most disheartening realization that I've had in politics is that just electing more Democrats isn't going to change things all that much.  We need much better Democrats, or else it's going to be business as usual.

what an image! (0.00 / 0)
Wow,
What a picture you've painted here of "establishment" Dems, and how out of touch they seem. We are at a point in our history that requires real action, and our
so-called "leadership" has no idea that we've even reached that point.
I wish they would wake up, or we could just replace them all with activists; there are so many dedicated people working night & day to change things!



Fake Steve Jobs had a similar reaction to the Speaker (0.00 / 0)
Your post reminded me of a quote from Fake Steve Jobs after his lunch with Al Gore and Speaker Pelosi (you should read the whole (satirical) post):

"Afterward we're riding home in the limo and Gore goes, Hey, wasn't that great? How'd you like Nancy? Isn't she just brilliant? And I'm thinking, Dude, Nancy couldn't get promoted to be a vice president at Apple, and if by some accident she did, she'd be fired in a week. I mean, that lame. Really. And these are the people running our country. Don't get me wrong. I'm a liberal. I vote for Democrats. But I just get really bummed out when I have to actually spend time with any of them. "

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Welcome to the Cold Sholder club (0.00 / 0)
I'm sort of surprised that that has only happened to you twice -- that a politician turns away after you dare to disargee about something -- that happened to be twice in one evening at the same event about a year ago when I dared to utter two naughty words: net neutrality :-)

matt, always start with the flattery (0.00 / 0)
next time, tell her how proud she makes you as the first female Speaker of the House, then bring up retroactive immunity and ask her to take this as a sign of frustration, and finally segueway into the al wynn thing at the end.

end the blurring--vote steve novick for u.s. senate in oregon

Al Wynn and Nancy Pelosi (0.00 / 0)
I have no doubt that Nancy Pelosi finds it personally painful to raise money for the corrupt Al Wynn, just as it is painful to have John Dingell, whose wife is a senior executive for General Motors, chair the committee on global warming. This is the same Nancy Pelosi who prior to being speaker of the house supported the more progressive Lynn Rivers in a primary fight against Dingell, who was elected due to members of the National Rifle Association (he was on the board of the NRA) voting in the Democratic primary.

What I don't personally understand in any useful way is just how trapped they feel in these strange institutional roles. It is baffling to me.

In the meantime, we just have to elect more people like Donna Edwards and then reform the funding system so that their reelection does not depend in any way on taking money from the K Street special interests.

How about a picture of you at the event - did you have a tie?


no tie (0.00 / 0)
But I was wearing a suit...

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The system is corrupt (0.00 / 0)
That is what Edwards has been saying and many of us are experiencing.  To change the system would require real work from the insiders.  They sigh but they don't want to do it.  They won't do it unless there is no other option.

Right now the option is to turn away from activists.  Only if they are threatened and fear the loss of power will they change.  Edwards talked about it in the interview with George S. that even he had turned his head away from things he should have confronted.  But one senator among 100 doesn't change the system.  One president may, or 100 congressmen that are determined may.  We elect people and then wonder what happened to them.  The system overwhelms them.

Edwards is right, they are good people, but they cannot overcome the system by themselves.  Look at Feingold and Kennedy.  It is disheartening, but I believe the quickest way to change will be to elect a transforming president or to have the system collapse.  I think these are the choices that are evolving.

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My pipedream of the day: (0.00 / 0)
That Pelosi would engage Matt (or someone) in an extended internet chat, to try to drill down beneath the first reactions and defensiveness, and try to explain (from both sides) what is going on.

Jane Harman wrote a very interesting diary on dKos, and I think she should be applauded for engaging like that. But when kagro X responded, there was no conversation. He asked a good question, and I just wish that Harman had to, at least, acknowlege the point.

And OpenLeft is always hugely laggy to me. I often don't post here because I have to wait a second after every letter. Anyone having this problem?


Yes (0.00 / 0)
I believe it is the YouTube video wall. Is scrolling and typing sluggish for you?

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Same problem (0.00 / 0)
I have the same problem and have assumed it was YouTube.  I have trouble with Firedoglake also and, as much as I love the site, I often avoid it because it's a pain in the ass to scroll and read it.

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Yeah, scrolling and typing. (0.00 / 0)
Extremely annoying. The Video Wall, huh? Makes sense. Be nice if we could turn that off ...

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A cold shoulder is better than a cold cell (0.00 / 0)
I'm not defending Pelosi's behavior, but keeping it in perspective you realize she was reasonably civilized. A Republican would have you tackled and tasered and dragged out by security. Then you'd be put in a holding cell overnight for "observation" without food or mattress or phone call.

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