Republicans Betting on the Iraq Success Narrative

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:41


I just heard Republican official Leslie Sanchez on TV saying that Democrats have 'bet on failure' in Iraq and Republicans must 'bet on success'.

I read yesterday Karl Rove in Newsweek saying the same thing:

Be strong on Iraq. Democrats have bet on failure. That's looking to be an increasingly bad wager, given the remarkable progress seen recently in Iraq.

And I remembered a few weeks back Soren Dayton,, discussing the success narrative as a commonly accepted theme among right-wing bloggers:

Jerome Armstrong from MyDD and Markos from DailyKos, among other lefties, argued that Iraq was going to be a driving issue. They, furthermore, argued that success wouldn't matter, because the failure was the initial decision, and Americans will stop paying attention The righties, Hugh Hewitt, Rob Bluey, John Hinderaker, and others argued that success would matter. Dean Barnett seemed to argue that it should but wouldn't.

My sense is that the lefties are wrong. Iraq will come out of the headlines if we really start to succeed.

Here's Nancy Kruh, admirably pointing out that this is a deluge of right-wing columns, replete with Joe Klein's sad dupe-like role play.

Unconvinced the progress in Iraq can be sustained, Joe Klein looks askance at the "fair amount of triumphalism from the usual suspects on the right," declaring it "premature."

Yet the refusal of the anti-war movement in Congress to acknowledge the encouraging developments also "isn't helping its credibility," the Time magazine columnist writes.

"Too much time, and political capital, has been wasted fighting (President) Bush legislatively on the war. I'm sure the president and the Republican Party are salivating over the prospect that Democrats will waste more time and capital over it this month, especially at a moment, however fleeting, when the situation on the ground seems to have improved in Iraq.

And there has been a shift in perceptions on Iraq.

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Nov. 1-5, 2007. N=1,509 adults nationwide. MoE ± 2.5 (for all adults).

"In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing in handling the situation in Iraq?" Half sample,MoE ± 3.6 (Form B)

ApproveDisapproveUnsure
11/1/11/527685
9/10/9/1230664
7/9/11/722724

There's been about a five point shift in perceptions for Bush and Iraq, so now, merely an overwhelming majority of around 65% dislikes his handling of Iraq instead of a stunning 70%.  Quite a ramp-up there.

According to the latest ABC News/Washington Post Poll, Democrats have a 16 point advantage on Iraq over Republicans, being more trusted by a 50-34 advantage on the issue.

The 'success' narrative in Iraq has been tried before by both right-wing pundits and more 'respectable' Republicans.  It has a long and storied history since 2003, but I'll focus on the 2006 electoral piece, since we're coming up to another election.

Here's Kevin McCullough at Townhall.com in 12/2006.

The nation and economy known as the new Iraq is succeeding, and those who dispute this are simply lying.

Even James Baker, a 'realist', made the success argument in 1/2006 in the Washington Post in an Op-Ed called 'Focusing on 'Success' In Iraq'.

Both alternatives have unattractive or even unacceptable aspects. The real challenge is not to choose between them but to make the option that is most likely to advance the overall U.S. national interest -- the "success" option -- both more acceptable and more likely, by reducing its cost and risk. Clearly, progress has already been made, but we should do everything possible to enhance the prospects for success.

The right-wing has called Iraq a success since the invasion.  Democrats have been told that success in Iraq would jeopardize their political positioning, even as late as 2006.  Both polling numbers and the situation in Iraq show that this is a crazy notion.

Matt Stoller :: Republicans Betting on the Iraq Success Narrative

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Why don't we just declare victory (0.00 / 0)
and come home, as Vermont Senator George Aiken famously said in 1966?

The argument over whether we're winning or losing is as much of a quagmire as the occupation of Iraq itself.

If Republicans want to argue that we're winning, I say fine - then we can give them their country back.

Of course framing it this way exposes the true Republican agenda of NEVER leaving Iraq so we can steal their oil.


Conflating Victory and Withdrawal (0.00 / 0)
As much as I wish I didn't have to point this out, the fact is that a sizable number of troops will have to remain in Iraq for some time if we intend to maintain an embassy there. I think it is safe to assume we will want to do that.

The usual security detachment will not be sufficient to provide effective protection. Relying on local forces to provide effective security, like we do in most other countries in the region, is just not realistic in Iraq and not likely to be for a number of years. A sizable force will have to reamin if we wish to maintain an embassy in safety. You can't really blame anyone but the people who fumbled us into this quagmire, or devised it intentionally. They can't get people from state to go as it is with 150,000 troops in country. The biggest timebomb, or landmine, the GOP left for Dems is Iraq.

Peace will not break out whether we stay or go and it is probably not the case that we will choose to leave and have no embassy in country. Having said that, with a new FoPo after 2008 things could change. As Gen. Odom and others have suggested, the way out of Iraq is through Iran. He means detente, not aggression. I don't know if that's the case or even doable, but only time, and a Democrat in the WH who listens to sane FoPo wonks, will tell.


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Fewer deaths (4.00 / 1)
If the perception of success is fewer deaths and not political reconciliation, that is the problem for now.  We and the Democratic candidates always have to make that distinction and really PRESS IT.  We cannot hope for more deaths in order to keep the issue numbers negative.  A very odd public relations game.  But the media only covers blast and death not the lack of governance and reconciliation.

The Public Has Spoken (0.00 / 0)
A military strategist on the TeeVee once told me that never in world history has public sentiment turned against a war only to turn back for the war again. Once the public turns against the war it's over.

Unless (0.00 / 0)
they start a new war:

After joining a half dozen other women in a conference room, she found, to her surprise, that she had been called in to help some of the country's most prominent hawks test-market language that could be used to sell a war against Iran to the American public. "The whole basis of the whole thing was, 'we're going to go into Iran and what do we have to do to get you guys to along with it,'" Sonnenmark, 49, tells Mother Jones.


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Since Miss Nancy, The Rabbit, Reid etc. (0.00 / 0)
....have continued to fund the war that means it's a success.

This is how low-info citizens perceive it. If we were failing in The MeatGrinder we would be charting a different course.

This is America the can-do nation!

Er...it used to be anyway and enough folks buy into that bullshit to shift the polls this much. The alternative scenario is too scary for them to contemplate.

From TPM today we learn that POTUS is reinvigorated and that he and his staff feel they have....wait for it....'turned the corner in Iraq...' so leadership on both sides of the aisle continue to support our noble effort to bring democracy to Iraq....

The parallels to Vietnam are more than a coincidence; our foreign policy and the folks who are responsible for it has been a disaster for generations. We simply don't know what we are doing and it's not possible to hide that fact any longer.

All that's left for Bush to do now is march to victory.

While Miss Nancy and Co. lose their chance for a change election.

Well, probably not but it really does look like nobody here can play this game.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Lemme get this straight (0.00 / 0)
If we "really start to succeed" (a tacit admission that up until now, there's been no "real" success, therefore it's a failure), Iraq will "come out of the headlines."

Umm...excuse me mister Right Wing Serious Thinking Brainiac. If there were success stories to tell, like giving Iraqis potable drinking water or electricity, or generating oil wealth to defray the costs of military bungling, that would somehow NOT be deemed fit for the front page? Like every Tom, Dick and Harry Elephant-lover wouldn't be crawling over themselves to claim credit and trumpet the everlasting glory of our holy mission, spreading freedom.

This is also a tacit admission. It is a nod to the fact that Republicans don't even expect a successful result, they don't feel capable or up to it, which is why they train themselves to argue so vigorously that black is white and oranges are kiwis. They know that the idea that managing something to successful fruition, that doesn't involve setting up giant troughs for cronies to suck from, is a non-starter.

Very illuminating.


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