IL-14 Special: Blue Dog in Waiting Bill Foster Runs on Iraq

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 11:12


After beating 2006 Hastert opponent John Laesch in the primary, Democrat Bill Foster is running in a special election in Illinois's 14th against Republican Jim Oberweis, who is so unpopular that he lost to Alan Keyes in a primary (update: well sort of, there's more detail in this comment).  This is Dennis Hastert's old district, a 55% Bush voting area in 2004.

First, to Foster himself.  Foster embraces Joe Biden's idea of partition in Iraq.  Here's what he also says on his site.

Paying down this debt must be the first order of business. I intend to work with the Blue Dog Democrats in congress -- a group dedicated to curing this by making the hard decisions necessary -- as well as any other groups that make deficit reduction their top priority. I'm sure that I'll be at odds with the Blue Dogs on more than a few issues - for example mortgage industry reform - but when it comes to deficit reduction, we all agree that we have to get our house in order.

I don't like that he's going to become a Blue Dog, but I do like that he's willing to break with them.  Still, because of the Blue Dog association I won't put any of my energy into the race, though I might change my mind depending on what I hear from him on the FISA legislation.  It's not reasonable to hold Foster responsible for the Blue Dog caucus, since he probably doesn't understand just how corrupt they are and actually believes that they want to deal with the budget instead of raise military spending and cut everything else.  And I do like his slogan, 'Businessman, Scientist, Democrat'.  But it's too bad he has associated himself tightly with that group; with some exceptions, they are bad people and he shouldn't go near them with a ten foot poll.

What makes the race interesting is that Foster is polling pretty well, down 45-43 with 12% undecided.  Considering the margin of error, it's tied.  I posted a polling memo below, and it shows that Foster takes a lead when both candidates bios are read.  Since the memo doesn't actually say what those bios are, I don't trust them.

The other point of interest is that Foster's ads focus on Iraq and ending combat operations versus his opponent's position of keeping troops there for ten years.  It's kind of weaselly language, frankly, since ending combat operations can mean pretty much anything.  I can see our troops engaging in a 'training operation' or operating in an 'advisory capacity', which is why the language is so transparently noncommittal, though it does actually paint some sort of contrast with his Republican opponent, who wants our troops there for at least ten more years.  With the partition idea out there, it's a reasonable assumption that Foster thinks that keeping troops in Iraq makes sense.

Foster's first ad points out that the Iraq war is diverting resources from health care and other economic problems.

And this one contains a promise to an end combat operations.

Patrick Murphy is a strong supporter of Foster, and he is pushing aggressively to get him in office.  This is a good test of a generic Iraq change message in a fairly red though not overwhelmingly red district.  Right now, no one's convinced me this is a particularly important race for anything but tactical reasons, since it's entirely unclear to me that Foster is a progressive and I have asked Foster's staff for a statement on FISA.

The polling memo is on the flip.

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Oberweis (4.00 / 1)
Oberweis is a douche... and unpopular.  That being said, he never lost to Alan Keyes in a primary.  I am assuming you are referring to the 2004 Senate race.  Oberweis lost to Ryan in 2004 in the primary.  Keyes was NOT in that primary.   Then Ryan's sex "scandal" came out and Ryan dropped out.  The GOP worked to fill the position.  Oberweis, who was second, volunteered to step in but, in an example of his unpopularity in the GOP, his efforts were refused and Keyes was selected after several bench GOPers refused and Ditka refused.  

He also lost the GOP nom for Governor in 2006 and the GOP Senate Nom in 2002.  He is DESPARATE to hold office and needs to be beaten.


he also, reportedly, only (0.00 / 0)
wants to be a one-termer, and use this to springboard a campaign for governor.

He needs a final nail popped into his coffin.


[ Parent ]
Laesch and Cegelis (0.00 / 0)
It was PrairieStateBlue's (CW) take that Laesch was not willing to do the enough of the required traditional fund raising necessary to win. Internet yes but telephone no. In 2006 he embarrassed himself with some amateur stunts on the blog that resulted in some bitter flame wars and community splits.

Given those facts/opinions we decided on a hands off approach to IL-14. Let the chips fall where they might kind of thing. We had already let Foster know that Blue Dog was not, in our opinion, even worth mentioning, that it was a label without real upside, who but political junkies is even aware what it means, and possible downside. But maybe there was some money contingent on using the label, I don't know.

So hands off is also our stance at this time. Yes, we don't want an Oberweiss, and PSB has encouraged Foster to reach out the the Laesch folks and his campaign said they would, but we are still pretty disappointed in Pera (Il-03) and not interested in expending energy on someone who doesn't even claim to be with us.

Needless to say we were quite surprised by how well Laesch did. So the netroots are now 0-3 in Illinois efforts. Indeed some of the Pera energy was out of guilt that we didn't put enough into Cegelis (Il-06). That was one, Pera was two and the Laesch surprise counts as our third mis-judgement.

But these are often hard calls. Of course national folks have a hard time judging races like Cegelis and that is to be expected. But as Pera and Laesch demonstrate we have some ways to go even judging some of this locally.

Jeff Wegerson


We did? (0.00 / 0)
Jeff, there were plenty of Foster supporters, plenty of Laesch supporters, and even more fence sitters at Prairie State Blue this past election cycle.  But there was certainly no collective voice in my opinion.  

Speak for yourself if you like...but I don't know how any one person speaks for the community with the authority you have tried to impart here.  There was a fantastic mix of opinion and I loved it...and you were right in the middle of it.  Hands-off it was not...

And Foster HAS reached out to Laesch supporters (who noted so on PSB) and even posted at PSB himself.  We all want  progressive Democrats in Congress, but as Kos so often notes, "more" always comes before "better" when getting Democrats elected.  


[ Parent ]
Sorry if I am coming off authroitative (0.00 / 0)
The short hand "(CW)" above was meant to mean "conventional wisdom" and by that meaning the cw at PSB. What I meant, and if I communicated badly then let me try to be clearer, was that PSB took no "official" position on any of the races in 14. As I reread it I see that there is a "we decided" as if a collective decision had been make. I simply meant that the "consensus feeling" was for the site not to take any side. The "we decided" should have been that at least some and probably many of us consciously and in communication with others choose ("decided") not to become involved in the internal course of IL-14.

I was more vague about whether Foster personally said he would work with the Laesch camp because I didn't remember and didn't feel like looking it up. Thanks for the clarification.

As for more vs better, while personally I respect Kos and many of his approaches to electoral politics, he is not my last word. In the Foster case, I have hopes that Foster will be better than his rhetoric and I would lean towards encouraging those with the time, energy and money to support Foster, but to do so with open eyes. At the moment there isn't a lot else to do anyway.

Jeff Wegerson


[ Parent ]
You are to be commended for your efforts. (0.00 / 0)
I'm looking for progressives to seriously back in this cycle.  I have done internet candidate research and looked at the numbers.  But there is absolutely no substitute for (1) committed local people chiming in on the local issues/scene and the quality of the candidates and (2) Matt and Chris and the other A-List bloggers using their clout to get to meet the candidates personally and evaluate them for those of us who don't have that access.

I'm really, really looking forward to the end of the Pres primary so we can get down to this serious work.  Based on initial research, it seems to me that there are 20-30 congressional races that are within reach (plus 10-15 that may come within reach) and at least 10, maybe 12 Senate races.  We need not to support those folks who the DCCC is already supporting (unless their support is only pro forma) but to find the best progressives and catapult them into the first tier or top of the second tier.  And we need to find a couple of longshots who would be really good if they could win.

Early money is really important in getting candidates off the ground and putting them in a position where others will give to them.  We need to get cracking now.

So hats off to you local folk for vetting the candidates at the local level, even if you aren't batting 1.000 or even .333.  And get going, Matt and Chris.  We need that sharp analysis based on your access to the candidates themselves.  And if they won't give you access, we need to know that too.

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[ Parent ]
it's important (4.00 / 1)
because oberweiss is fucking whack job.  Type in helicopter and oberweiss into youtube, and you'll see a tiny sample of the crazy.

He's a horrible excuse for a human being.

And, even if Foster is a flawed candidate, he's doing things right.

Notice, he proudly states at the bottom of his ad "Democrat for Change"   (emph added).

No hiding from the fact that he's a Democrat.  He's building the brand, which a lot of people (like whatshername in Ohio) don't like to do.

He's not perfect, but he's an intelligent guy who does listen to people and carefully considers any question from multiple angles.  He's a scientist at heart, which is a great strength and weakness.  It means he's bright and articulate.  It also means that he's really bad when he has to speak in front of crowds.  He thinks like a scientist and not a politician.  

Plus, on purely tactical grounds, this race is important for us to win.

He went on the attack from day one against Oberweiss, even though he doesn't know for certain that he'll be the candidate in the general.

He went out on day one and began aggressively defining Oberweiss.  10 more years in Iraq.  Outsources your jobs.  With Bush 110%.

He's aggressive, which makes this a test case for a lot of downticket races across the country, especially as we start making headway into narrow Republican districts.  

He brands himself a Democrat, first and foremost.  In a +5.5% Republican district.

He's running strongly anti-war, at least in his ads (which may be more aggressive than his real stance).

If Foster wins, he'll win on a strategy that is largely the kind of thing that you and Bowers and Kos and Armstrong have been advocating for several years.  Even if he isn't the true blue progressive we'd like to see.  


He's not so predictable (0.00 / 0)
I was a strong Laesch supporter, but his strong and open progressive stand, together with often-amateurish campaigning, would probably give the nutso-right Oberweiss a better shot. Foster definitely takes the middle ground and has a business perspective, but was strongly critical of Bush and the invasion-occupation during the primaries. He seems to be a somewhat quirky commerce-development Dem, but no Melissa Bean, for example. I'd guess, at worst, kind of a Herb Kohl (WI) Dem.

He's smart and thoughtful and so looks very good compared to Oberweiss, who has campaigned on the most overtly racist anti-immigrant rants I've seen anywhere. I think there's a good chance that with Laesch-crowd support, Foster could turn out to be a surprise of the happy kind.


[ Parent ]
There's NOT a Lot of Upside Here! (0.00 / 0)
I agree with Jeff Wegerson of Prairie State Blue that a "hands off" really is in order here. Imagine if John McCain wins the election. There will be INTENSE pressure on Congress to conform to his insane policies. And the Blue Dogs will emerge with Republicans as a constant traitor element in the ranks.

If you thought Lieberman was bad now, imagine the Republicans controlling the House with a popular president McCain, plus a solid Republican base in the House, plus about 40 Blue Dogs giving McCain a governing majority!

Another 4 or 8 years of war? Attack Iran and make the terrorist threat infinitely worse? Social Security "reform?" Even more extremist Republican judges? Doing nothing once again on global warming, because it might be painful to business?

I don't know how adding another "Blue Dog" who will only betray us on a host of issues is a great idea. Perhaps he doesn't even really know who those people are, but starting out his campaign with the idea of joining the ranks of the sell-outs doesn't inspire any confidence.  


But this is only a special. (0.00 / 0)
There will be another election in November for the person to serve the next 2-year term.  Better if we see what Foster is made of now than later--I assume both ar running in the general?

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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the winner of the primary (0.00 / 0)
for the general election on the Democratic side hasn't been officially announced yet...or it hadn't last time I checked.

The general election primary was really close, at the end of the day on 2/5, Foster led by like 350 votes.  And provisional and absentee ballots hadn't been counted.

Early results on canvassing the provisionals and absentees make it appear that Foster will still win the general election primary, but its really close.

Laesch ran a much stronger campaign than I thought he was capable of.  

The gap in the special election primary was a coupla thousand votes, with one less candidate (the general election primary had 4 total candidates, the special election primary had 3).

So, Foster may not be on the general election ballot.  There's always a chance.  Which makes him fighting for the victory on the Special election ballot that much more impressive.  


[ Parent ]
Only applies if McCain wins (0.00 / 0)
If Obama becomes president then the Blue Dogs will often be obstructive, but they'll be less so than the Republicans and they're not a particularly cohesive body anyway.

And if McCain does win, then the silver lining is that when he continues Bush's horribly unpopular policies and Bush Dogs follow him, pretty much all of them bar Jim Matheson and Chet Edwards will have painted targets on their backs for the progressive movement to aim at.

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[ Parent ]
Patrick Murhpy is a Bluedog so... (0.00 / 0)
it's no wonder Foster would think that's a plus and join them. He worked on Murphy's campaign. I respect Murphy's service and his view on the war, but the fact he is a member of the group which undermined efforts to forge a Dem consensus on Iraq tarnishes his record.

You cannot trust Foster. If we are against funding/helping more Blue Bushdogs, then his saying he will join them is a poison pill.

Pass..


I sooo agree. Dollars to donuts Rahm Emanuel's fingerprints are all over this. (0.00 / 0)
The blue dogs can do more damage from within our party in many ways more than having that seat simply stay GOP.

For instance, Rahm Emanuel does more damage to our progressive movement than if his own seat was represented by a Republican.  If we had no Rahm within our caucus, then we wouldn't be having a guy with power ruin and water down our legislation from the inside.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


[ Parent ]
We need to attack the BlueDog brand (0.00 / 0)
because it's a Big Lie.

They claim to be for "strong fiscal restraint"
http://www.house.gov/ross/Blue...

but the single most wasteful government program in world history was the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which has already cost $500 billion and is now projected to cost $3 trillion.

Of the 48 BlueDogs, not a single one voted against the latest $70 billion blank check on 1/16/08.

That's why BlueDogs make me sick:
http://www.democrats.com/why-b...


this (the war) is why we should be supporting Foster (0.00 / 0)
I'm not asking for him to be put on Blue Majority.  He doesn't need the money anyway.  The Milkman has more than Foster, but Foster's no slouch.

But we should support him.

He isn't blurring on Iraq, at least so insofar as his campaign ads go.  His actual position is nuanced, and probably far from ideal.  But his ads are clearly showing him as the anti-war candidate.  And Oberweiss as clearly pro-long term occupation/war.

A Foster Special Election victory could push the party (on a national level) further to the left come general election time.

Foster is running anti-war.  Fence sitters in our party are still numerous, and still blurring their positions.  Foster has staked out a clear position (at least in his ads, maybe not in his website's position statement, which I haven't looked at lately) of ANTI-War.

A victory by Foster in a +5 R district will go far toward electing Democrats who are running on strong anti-war platforms.  

He ain't perfect, but his tactics in this special election have been aggressive and inspiring (to me at least).

This special election is being contested just a couple of days after Texas and Ohio.  It's important to win the special election!!!


[ Parent ]
i haven't written as much about this race... (0.00 / 0)
as i intended, as i got dragged into barack's recent efforts.  which actually is a good place to begin.  why should we (we are democrats, right?) support bill foster whole heartedly?  because the press sees this as the first test of john mccain's appeal to the swing districts and whether he can broaden his appeal.  this is what i heard on the press bus between milwaukee and oshkosh on february 15.

now, i'm just assuming that you have a donkey in the general election race.

and it's not just that republicans have a reputation for winning special elections, and for turning special elections into map changing elections.  because democrats can't do that, right?

no it's much more than that.  first of all, this special election in a red/swing district is a bellweather that the idiot pundits in the media will refer to for the next six months.  i don't know about you, but i want to run in the fall with the wind at our backs -- under the frame that democrats are taking it to the gop, not one where we are re-running the 2004/2000 elections.  winning in red districts matter if you want to enact a progressive agenda.  democrats need a majority AND democrats need confidence that they can take electoral risks before parts of the progressive agenda will ever see victory from both the house and the senate floor.

secondly, this is illinois.  this is our chance at redistricting.  two of the peculiarities of madigan's democratic party is that congress is irrelevant and incumbents rule.  democrats won't add seats in illinois, despite our majority status, unless we take them out of the republican column at the ballot box.  as long as madigan runs the dpi and power in illinois remains in the combine, this will be true.  so the question is, do you want a democrat or republican in this seat.

third, i'm just not convinced that bill foster understands what it means to be a blue dog democrat.  when asked at the fall blogger session which caucuses he would join, he noted the problem that arose out of his desire to join the blue dog caucus and declined to specify any caucus -- including the blue dog caucus -- he'd join.  the fact that this episode gave foster pause should give us pause.  it suggests to me that progressives will have more influence with foster's political development than we think.

the message of george bush pushing scientists, among the most apolitical people out there, to become democrats is an important message that i think we should not ignore.  here's one scientist who is willing to put a couple of million dollars behind the democratic brand and associating it with science.  we should be jumping for joy.  foster is pretty typical among theoretical scientists, focused on solutions rather than ideology.  until he gets to congress, i don't think he's going to understand the point of progressives.  any ideology may seem dogmatic to him.  that might be more distressing if foster hadn't backed down off the blue dog bandwagon as he did in the dailykos live blogging session.

what il-03 should have taught us is that we have to take advantage of our opportunities here in illinois and not let them pass just because we don't have the perfect candidate.  this is illinois, and perfect candidates don't come around (i support barack, worked for him in 04, and i'm under no illusions that he's a perfect candidate from our perspective).

as i write this, i see that three of the candidates who took indiana seats from red to blue are in the bush dog column.  but i'm still glad that we won those seats.  better democrat than republican.  it's too bad matt couldn't have shared that perspective.  i'm not a big believer in this litmus test stuff, believing instead that progressives only make things happen when we pursue an inside-outside strategy.  we have to have democrats in congress and we need as big a majority in both houses as possible.  right now, right here, in il-14, it's all about turning a red seat to a blue seat.  as i said after cegelis went down to duckworth, if we're going to expect less progressive democrats to support our candidates when we win the primaries, we have to support their's when they win.  it's the only way we can move the party to the left, and move the center in the country in our direction...


Bill Foster (0.00 / 0)
I volunteered along with Bill Foster for many hours on the Murphy campaign. Bill is thoughtful, independent, and well-reasoned about issues in general, is a clear opponent of the Iraq War (you're really splitting thin hairs if you think that his position on ending "combat operations" in Iraq is different than Obama's plan to "have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months"), and is a great problem-solver --- he has an uncanny ability to create innovative solutions to problems that other people don't even notice. I believe Bill will be a fantastic congressman, and I'm excited to be flying to Illinois in a couple weeks to help his campaign for a few days.

Now about the Blue Dog thing. I don't think it's quite accurate to think of the whole group as Bush-Dogs. In fact, I'd encourage you to think specifically about the Blue Dogs whose districts resemble the Hastert district, that is, affluent suburban non-Southern districts. Scanning through Wikipedia's list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Democrats) I see the following: Bean, Giffords (does this district fit my description?), Israel, Moore of KS, Patrick Murphy, Loretta Sanchez, Schiff. Most of these voted correctly the May Iraq vote, and all but Melissa Bean voted correctly on the warrantless wiretapping measure. They tend to be socially liberal; for example, all seven are thoroughly pro-choice. Indeed, the only thing that holds them together as "Blue Dogs" is their fiscal responsibility, which plays very well in their districts.


internal polling (0.00 / 0)
now shows Foster in the lead.

see NYBri's diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

Foster's anti-war platform and aggressive actions in defining Oberweiss are working.

Democrats everywhere need to take note.  This is how you beat a Republican.  Define him early and often as being a pro-war, anti-regular person, crazy nutball.

Hit him early and hard.  Don't wait.

The new polls cover 2/21-24, and show Foster ahead 45-41.  the last poll had Oberweiss up 45-43 (as Stoller showed above).  Same polling outfit and methodology (I assume on the latter).  MOE +/- 4.9%  http://foster08.com/memo.pdf


The first real battle of the year (0.00 / 0)
This is a very winnable race folks. The latest poll yesterday shows Foster up 45-41. Oberweis has a negative rating of 42. But we need more volunteers. Last night at the IBEW hall in Warrenville there was only me and a staffer making calls until 7 when a guy named John showed up. We have phones, lists and comfy chairs waiting for a dozen more. We're talking to double and triple D's who are enthusiastic but some of them don't even know there is a special election on March 8. Turnout is going to be everything and I hear the Repub Exec Director of the DuPage Election Commission has sent absentee ballot applications to all his double and triple Rs in the DuPage part of the district. Early voting in DuPage goes until Mar. 3 at the DCEC at 421 County Farm Rd.

Bill Foster will make a fine congressman. Smart as a whip, 22 years as a Fermi Lab physicist and a successful businessman from the stage lighting biz he and his brother started years ago. This is no shoestring campaign. For a change we have a candidate who has the cash to go head to head with a millionaire Republican. Go look up his issues page. He's no Bush Dog despite what purity mongers would have you think.  

http://www.foster08.com/2007/1...

There's hundreds of yard signs ready to put out and I'm doing about 35 of them in Aurora when I get done writing this. Each one prominently and proudly labels Foster the Democrat. Oberweis' signs are all blue too and don't even mention the word "Republican". What does that tell you?  

While canvassing in Elgin on Sunday I talked to some Republicans who want to stay in Iraq and make Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent (just like Oberweis) who nonetheless won't vote for him. One guy gave me 10 minutes of his "genocide in Iraq if we leave" speech and then said if we kick all the Mexicans out of the country like Oberweis wants Elgin will be a ghost town. By the time I left he said given the choice he'd rather see Baghdad become a ghost town than Elgin.

This is the first big national election of 2008. Imagine how demoralizing this will be for Republicans and their fundraising to lose Dennis Hartert's seat, the former Speaker of the House. The news will reverberate across the US. It'll give Dems a tremendous boost from coast to coast if we can do it here, especially candidates like Dan Seals in IL-10 and Scott Harper in Il-13 in Illinois. We can lead this country out of it's morass starting right now, in the IL-14th and all we have to do is pitch in the next week and a half.

There's plenty of work to do every day during evenings, the day if you have the time, and the next two weekends.

Contact info is here: http://www.foster08.com/2008/0...

I'm sure if you ask them nicely they'll email or fax you call sheets you can make from your home if you like.  


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