IL-14: Differentiating Between Blue Dogs and Bush Dogs

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 18:00


Here is a promise you don't see in a hotly contested Democratic primary campaign very often. Bill Foster, one of the three Democratic candidates vying to replace Dennis Hastert in the now open Illinois 14th Congressional District, promises to work with the Blue Dogs once in office:

Like most of us, I believe we need to invest in education, in small business assistance, on health care and other domestic priorities to strengthen us here at home. But the debt built up by President Bush and Speaker Hastert is preventing us from doing this. Paying down this debt must be the first order of business. I intend to work with the Blue Dog Democrats in congress -- a group dedicated to curing this by making the hard decisions necessary.

OK-at least he is out in the open about it. However, it is important to note that Blue Dogs and Bush Dogs are not the same thing. Consider, for example, what Bill Foster says about Iraq:

Last year, I worked on the campaign of Army Captain Patrick Murphy - the only Iraq War Veteran elected to Congress. He was on the ground in Baghdad and saw up close how the Administration's policies weren't working. Congressman Murphy has been clear: any solution to Iraq's problems must start with the Iraqis. I've listened to, and worked side by side with Congressman Murphy, and I trust his judgment on Iraq far more than the Administration that got us into this mess.

Patrick Murphy is a Blue Dog himself, but he has been rock-solid on Iraq. Not only has he voted well since entering Congress, and not only did he endorse the Murtha plan for withdrawal in late 2005 when many other Democrats saw it as political poison, but Murphy has taken a prominent media role to help lead the fight to end the war. To put it one way, a Patrick Muphy Blue Dog is the sort of Blue Dog to whom I can provide enthusiastic, activist support for Congress.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: IL-14: Differentiating Between Blue Dogs and Bush Dogs
The point I am trying to make here is that there is a difference between Bush Dogs, who capitulate with conservatives on the key civil liberties and foreign policy issues of our times, and Blue Dogs, who are simply members of a caucus in Congress. There is some cross over between the two groups, but it is by no means absolute: thirty of the thirty-eight Bush Dogs in the 110th Congress are also Blue Dogs, and thirty of the forty-eight Blue Dogs are Bush Dogs. However, that still means there are eighteen Blue Dogs who are not Bush Dogs, and there are eight Bush Dogs who are not Blue Dogs. The lack of coherency in Blue Dog voting is further revealed when looking at their loyalty to the Democratic Party on the 18 pieces of legislation in 2005 that passed the House with the majority of Democrats voting differently than the majority of Republicans:

  • 100% loyal: Schiff (CA)
  • 89% loyal: Israel (NY), Lo. Sanchez (CA), Tauscher (CA), Thompson (CA)
  • 83% loyal: Michaud (ME), Moore (KS)
  • 78% loyal: Baca (NM)
  • 76% loyal: Harman (CA)
  • 72% loyal: Pomeroy (ND)
  • 67% loyal: Boyd (FL), Case (HI)
  • 65% loyal: Herseth (SD), Salazar (CO)
  • 64% loyal: Cooper (TN), Tanner (TN)
  • 61% loyal: Boswell (IA), Cardoza (CA), Ross  (AR), Scott (GA)
  • 58% loyal: Bishop (GA)
  • 56% loyal: Berry (AR), Chandler (KY)
  • 53% loyal: Costa (CA), Ford (TN)
  • 50% loyal: Holdon (PA), Matheson (UT), Melancon (LA)
  • 44% loyal: Barrow (GA)
  • 39% loyal: Boren (OK), Peterson (MN)
  • 38% loyal: McIntyre (NC)
  • 35% loyal: Davis (TN)
  • 33% loyal: Taylor (MS)
  • 28% loyal: Cramer (AL)

In and of itself, being a Blue Dog does not seem to mean all that much as far as determining voting patterns on key pieces of legislation. Despite somewhat broad correlations, there is no direct connection between being a Blue Dog and being a Bush Dog.  Figuring out where Foster falls in this range is always difficult, but I am not encouraged by this vague statement on Iraq:

I give my full support to the efforts of bipartisan groups in Congress that are attempting to use all the powers allowed by our Constitution to shake some sense into the Bush administration on Iraq. The first step must be to abandon the Bush Administration's stubborn insistence on an American solution to an Iraqi problem. Whether the troops come home by applying pressure to Bush administration, by the installation of a president with new ideas, or by the election of veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress -- the troops will come home.

This is a very strange passage. On the one hand, it talks about "use all the powers allowed by our Constitution" being taken to end the war in Iraq, which sounds pretty good. On the other hand, it talks about  "bipartisan groups" that are trying to "shake some sense into the Bush administration on Iraq." As with the OH-10 primary challenge against Dennis Kucinich, that feels like Washington Post speak for "let's allow Republicans to say they want the troops to come home without actually forcing them to commit to bringing troops home."  And then there is the strange statement that the troops will come home one way or the other, no matter what happens.

Bill Foster has said he wants to be a Blue Dog if elected to Congress. While not helpful, that is also not, in and of itself, a disqualifier for primary support in my opinion.  Being a Bush Dog obviously would be such a disqualifier. There are enough certainly worries about which category into which Foster falls in that category that progressives in the area should take a long look at Jotham Stein and Jon Lasech (note: I am certainly not endorsing or non-endorsing any candidate at this time). Considering that it will be an open seat to replace Hastert, this campaign will receive a lot of attention, and who the Democratic nominee is will reflect on the party over a much wider area.

Prairie State Blue has a good archive on the IL-14 campaign.


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Blue Dog Discussion (0.00 / 0)
This comment on Foster's position paper has driven a lot of discussion at PSB, and we are still trying to get some clarification from Foster's campaign manager who also posts on PSB.

So far, this is the closest to a response we've got from one of the comments in a post from Foster's campaign:

I actually asked Foster (0.00 / 0) [delete comment]

about the Blue Dog thing at our county democratic meeting. (Note: I wasn't "under cover" or anything, he knows full well I'm a Laesch volunteer and still called on me when I raised my hand... he gets serious props for that.) He had talked about issues that, while not taking TOTALLY progressive stances, were closer to the progressive side of the isle than the Blue Dog side. So I asked him something along the lines of, "These things that you have talked about so far don't seem to fall in line with the Blue Dogs. So, why are you identifying yourself with the Blue Dog caucus?"

His answer was basically that the Blue Dogs' first priority, and the only thing all of them agree on, is reducing the deficit. I followed up by saying that progressives want to reduce the deficit too, and that it is a high priority, even if it's not the FIRST priority, so why not identify with the progressive caucus? He responded by saying that there were things in the progressive caucus that he didn't agree with, though he didn't elaborate on what those things are, and then said something along the lines of, "It's only a caucus, and there are over a hundred caucuses. It's something I'll have to look into closer once I'm there." Then he moved onto the next question.

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So.... (0.00 / 0)
All Blue Dogs are united in their opposition to the deficit. Is that the litmus test?

And what is the test, if there is one, for Bush Dogs?

Trying to get a handle on this that is why I ask.

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same thing (0.00 / 0)
Blue Dog:Bush Dog

as

Crap:Shit


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I really don't think you can say that. (0.00 / 0)
Look at Murphy's voting record -- other than on some deficit issues, he's been a solid Dem vote. I don't think there's anyone from a redder district who voted against the last supplemental spending bill on Iraq, and certainly not someone in such a targeted district. His non-party line votes were on budget and ethics/reform issues.

(As most people know, Cong. Murphy's a friend of mine, but this is just me speaking.)


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One or two thoughts (0.00 / 0)
For one thing - and you're the pro on this - it strikes me that you've put your finger on a difficulty with the terminology: on the face of it, you could equally take Bush Dogs to be a derogatory tag for all Blue Dogs (the only caucus with Dogs in their name) rather than a group with overlapping membership with the Blue Dogs.

Confusion, and suggestions of bad faith from some quarters, might result.

For another - we're taking a pretty specific criterion for drawing up our shit list.

For a start, we giving reps a complete pass on domestic policy outside the security sphere. There are good political reasons to do this, no quarrel with those, but it's a choice.

Then, in determining who faces - whatever Bush Dogs will face - we pick two votes as a litmus test for soundness on Iraq and internal security.

Now, 86 Dems voted for the noxious  amendment to the Iraq supplemental HR 2206 (RC425), including Hoyer and Clyburn. So the potential pool for purging is pretty broad. The FISA vote (RC836 on S 1927) might be said (by those hostile to the venture) to serve a useful purpose in filtering out some bigger names.

Are these the right votes? Who knows?

There's also the point that both bills only came to a vote by the grace and favor of the Dem leadership: the votes of the 86 gave cover from the fact that the GOP needed no Dem help to pass Pelosi's bill! Same with the FISA bill.

Which links into - how sorry were the leadership to see these votes go the way they did, sparing them confrontations with Bush they clearly did not want?

I'd move slowly on this - but then, I would say that, wouldn't I?


We can do better (0.00 / 0)
Saying you support the Blue Dogs but aren't a Bush Dog either means that you don't get what the group is about or are pandering.

I think it is entirely appropriate for Foster to get the crap kicked out of his campaign online.

A Blue Dog who isn't a Bush Dog is just as rare as a truly moderate Republican. That is cool in some districts (go Matheson) but in this OPEN!!! seat we can do better. I think Foster should have an example made of him.


interesting that Murphy is a role model (0.00 / 0)
That is very good news.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Foster actually (0.00 / 0)
worked for Patrick Murphy's campaign

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I met Foster (4.00 / 1)
When he was working for Murphy.  I think he is a really good guy.

I didn't know he was rich (and able to self fund) despite interacting with him a fair amount.  He seems humble and down to earth as well as very smart.  He donated for the Clinton rally so that one of the campaign workers could get a picture with Clinton, and picked up the tab for dinner a few times.

More importantly he is probably one of the people after the Murphy family and campaign manager with the strongest claim to helping win the election.  He was in charge of revamping the walk sheets before the election.  The walk sheets we used were dramatically better than the ones generated by the party algorithm.

We never talked policy, you don't really get much of a chance to talk politics on a campaign ironically enough.

I don't know him well enough to say that we should all definitely get behind him, but I do know him well enough to know that we shouldn't dismiss him out of hand.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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Small gripe (0.00 / 0)
There hasn't been a congressman named Baca from New Mexico but there seems to have been a congressman Baca from California but born in New Mexico.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

Could you Rate John Salazar CO-3 (0.00 / 0)
http://www.house.gov...

The facts are that he and his brother (
Senator Ken Salazar) have always been conservative for Democrats but are much better than any Republican who would run against them.


Bush Dogs and Blue Dogs (0.00 / 0)
I'm no fan of Blue Dogs or Bush Dogs, or the DLC for that matter, all of which I think are symptomatic of what's been wrong with the Democratic Party for far too long.  Having said that, I recognize also that there are individual differences among politicians with any of those labels.  As a strategic move, I think it's good to push back against any and all of them; some will change, some won't, and this way we know the difference and can act accordingly.

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