More Signs That Progressives Are Moving Closer To Democratic Party Control

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 13:30


It is not likely to be carried through, but worth noting none the less, that Sam Nunn has opened the door for 2008:

"It's a possibility, not a probability," said [former Georgia Democratic Senator Sam] Nunn, now the head of a nonprofit organization out to reduce the threat posed by nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry. "My own thinking is, it may be a time for the country to say, 'Timeout. The two-party system has served us well, historically, but it's not serving us now.'"

The 68-year-old former senator, still considered one of the foremost experts on national security, confirmed that he's discussed a presidential run as part of several conversations with Michael Bloomberg, the New York mayor.

More important, Nunn said he's been in touch with Unity '08, a group with a goal of fielding a bipartisan or independent ticket for president. Initial talks began with Hamilton Jordan, a co-founder of Unity '08 and former chief of staff to President Jimmy Carter.

Sam Nunn has been flirting with running for President since the mid-1980's, and this just strikes me as a long overdue convulsion continuing that trend. A friend of mine who worked for Nunn when he was in the Senate told me once that Nunn wanted to be President, but didn't want to have to run for President. Hard to imagine that has changed now, especially as an Independent candidate who would have no chance whatsoever of winning. It is also a sign of the more progressive times in the Democratic Party that Nunn, like other key figures in the DLC, are openly flirting with Unity08 and Bloomberg, when they were founded in the 1980's to try and force a southern conservative, like Sam Nunn, as the Democratic presidential nominee:

The DLC was founded in 1985 by Al From and other Democrats after Ronald Reagan's re-election. The organization started as a group of forty-three elected officials, and two staffers, Al From and Will Marshall. Their original focus was on influencing internal Democratic politics so as to secure the 1988 presidential nomination for a Southern conservative such as Sam Nunn or Chuck Robb, both of whom were early DLC supporters. However, when the DLC's pet project, the Super Tuesday primary, turned out to be a boon for Reverend Jesse Jackson, a vocal critic of the DLC, the group began to shift toward attempting to influence the public debate.

From, like Nunn, now apparently considers both winning Democratic the primary a lost cause, and also considers Clinton too far left to be tolerable. First:

According to Michael Steinhardt, chairman of PPI's Board of Trustees until he resigned at the end of 1995, the Third Way Project was to be 'a new approach to separate ourselves from the Democratic Party.' He explained [to author Baer] that the DLC began to take on a more bipartisan focus, which appealed to a number of contributors, including Steinhardt himself, who advocated the formation of a third party and went so far as to meet with Bill Bradley to try to persuade him to run for President in 1996."

Second:

Sources told CBS 2 Bloomberg brought three deputy mayors with him, and proceeded to talk through every angle of a presidential run. By the end, the group had zeroed in on his running as an independent in 2008. And, the sources said, he seemed intrigued.

The dinner was held at the home of Michael Steinhardt, a legendary Wall Street hedge fund manager and a Bloomberg friend. He brought along Al From, head of the Democratic Leadership Council, which played a part in Bill Clinton's rise to power in 1992.

Third


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Whatever efforts the DLC has made to make the Democratic Party more conservative, they have generally failed. Self-identified liberals now make up a higher percentage of self-identified Democrats than they did at any time in the past, and so the Sam Nunn's and Al From's of the world have refocused their efforts from trying to elect a conservative southern Democrat, to flirting with independent candidacies. If Nunn did run, it would probably be bad for the Democratic nominee. However, I just don't see a Nunn run happening, considering his twenty-year flirtation with the idea that he never followed through on before. Why actually pull the trigger now, when you are 68, have a much lower profile, and a much lower chance of winning? Mostly, this seems worthy of note because it demonstrates once again how the ideological locus of the Democratic Party has shifted over the past twenty years. Whether we want to believe it or not, and while there are boviously still hurdles to overcome, it is safe to argue that progressives and liberals are gaining ground in the party. Of course, we need to keep pushing further.

At MyDD, Jonathan Signer has more on this.

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A Nunn run would be good for us. (0.00 / 0)
I agree with Chris that he probably won't run, but I would be happy if he did. He would draw more GOP votes than Dem votes, especially in the south. MS is 40% black, GA and the Carolinas are in the 30s. Another white conservative being on the ballot might open those states up to us.

Interesting (4.00 / 1)
That would position Nunn as more of a third party candidate in the tradition of Turmond and Wallace, rather than Anderson and Perot, in terms of whose support he would receive. If he does run, I certainly hope you are right. Of course, like you, I don't think he will run. Unity08 is just trying to find a way to desperately stay relevant, not unlike Nunn.

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1960 (0.00 / 0)
In 1960, would you call Jack Kennedy a progressive?  If so, why did he win, albeit in a very close race, when the Repubs had just finished 8 years of relative peace and prosperity??  Was it more the superficial good looks of Kennedy against Nixon, meaning we are that shallow a country, or did people really see liberal policies as better than what happened in those relatively good years of 1952-1960. 

Somewhere in that answer is the key to 2008!


50s Not so good (0.00 / 0)
Growth in the 50s overall was so so.  More importantly, it was very uneven.  Ike presided over 3 recesssions.  For many workers, his Presidency was a disaster.  Kitchen table issues propelled Democrats to a fabulous year in 1958, one in which they gained a record 16 US Senate seats (including three from the new states of Alaska and Hawaii).

Kennedy won largely on a combination of dissatisfaction with a poor economy ("get America moving again") and on a very high percentage of the Catholic vote.


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Yes And No (0.00 / 0)
The 1950s were mixed, all right. But not so mixed that Hawaii and Alaska elected senators before they gained statehood.  Both were granted statehood in 1959.

"Get America moving again," was not just about the economy, but the relative loss of focus, purpose and direction that FDR and Truman had provided.  Hence, Kennedy's "New Frontier."

Kennedy's major accomplishment in religious terms was not so much mobilizing Catholics as it was reassuring Protestants not to vote against him. Demographically, the key shift--below the radar--was Northern blacks who held the margin of victory in key states, most notably, Illinois

Complicating matters, Kennedy ran to Nixon's right on defense (the mythical "missile gap," among other things.)

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Hawaii, Alaska (0.00 / 0)
For whatever reason, both sets of Senators (Hawaii, Alaska) were included with my 1958 batch.  I don't know but suspect that this was from wikipedia.

Kennedy's vote among Catholics may have been played up among the set I was growing up with: northern Catho;ic Democrats.  My mother's family were ardent Democrats and, of course, liked to take the lion's share of the credit for JFK's win.  It is certainly noteworthy that this group is one of the major ones to drift towards the GOP in the 1980 to 2004 period.  Catholics cost Kerry the election in 2004.

I believe that get America moving again meant "the missile gap" to white collar voters but economic malaise to blue collar voters.  Kennedy was a sharp visual contrast to Ike who was old and had at least two bouts with heart attacks.  Compared to Truman-Dewy, Kennedy-Nixon was different.  Truman did much better with farmers and in farm states but lost New York.  There was no strong third party candidate(s) draining votes (Wallace) and winning states (Thurmond).  The unaligned bull in several sputhern states had a dilluted Dixiecrat effect, though.


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Progressive meant something different back then (0.00 / 0)
In 1948, the progressive ticket under Henry Wallace was crushed in very Nader-esque numbers. So, in the 1950's and 1960's, the term liberal was much more in vogue.

So, in short, no. Back then, the term to describe Kennedy would have accurately been liberal.

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Interesting to note (4.00 / 2)
that if you add up the liberal and moderate Dem percentages and the liberal and moderate Independent percentages that you get 53.5% of the voting populace in the 94-04 (most current) column.

Please note that this majority does not include conservative democratic voters or liberal republicans or conservative independents.

Just liberal and moderate democrats and liberal and moderate independents.

The DLC and Blue Dogs say we need what to be competitive?

Republicans on the other hand need all three categories of Republican voters, conservative independents and either moderate independents or conservative democrats and a subsection of moderate independents in order to exceed 50% of the voters.

Who needs to reach out to the other side to win?

Who needs to rally the base to ensure victory?


Where are they gonna get ... (4.00 / 1)
the money to back a Sam Nunn run?  At this point, I bet more people know who Gravel is than know who Nunn is.

Sam who? (0.00 / 0)
That would be the general reaction to an independent run for president by him. Nunn may have been prominent in the 1980s and the early 1990s, but he's been out of the public spotlight for so long that no one is going to remember him.

I would have to agree with an above comment - he'd probably do us more favors in splitting the conservative vote down South (if he gains any traction) than anything else.


Too far left? (0.00 / 0)
Al From considers Clinton too far left to be tolerable? That's either a false opinion calibrated to make Clinton look like a reborn progressive, or it's a sign of From's madness and the DLC's hopeless irrelevance.

VISA is Hungry! http://www.funnyordie.com/vide...

Or... (4.00 / 1)
It could be both. Frum might think Clinton is too far left, but perhaps he also thinks Clinton is the most centrist candidate who can win the Dem nod. So, who knows--maybe both are in play here.

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Al From Hell (0.00 / 0)
Now if Al From and Sam Nunn want to give up on political parties and start a third way why don't they do this in Iraq?  I hear they need a Third Way there.  What I am concerned about is that maybe Republican money has corrupted some in our party, like Chris Carney a newly elected Congressman who is speaking glowingly of the Third Way and abandoning the Democratic Party.  Nothing smells so sweet is Fascism in the morning.  Why didn't Hitler think of that--oh yeah he did.  We are condemned to live in interesting times. 

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A Clearer Look Inside the Parties (0.00 / 0)
From the same data used in the chart Chris uses, but sliced a different way:

The trends are strengthening, as the recently-released 2006 GSS data shows:

    Political ID-2006
      Liberal Dem43.1
      Moderate Dem38.9
      Conservative Dem18.0
     
      Liberal Ind25.3
      Moderate Ind47.3
      Conservative Ind27.4
     
      Liberal Rep8.5
      Moderate Rep26.7
      Conservative Rep64.8


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